What happened to LDS apologist Doug Marshall?

Post by **_The Dude** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:44 pm

Tarski wrote:Indeed!
Anyone who has read the words of Jesus knows that underneath it all he was promoting first the following basic principles:

1. Money. Unmoderated capitalism, trickle down economics, and the right to accumulation of unlimited personal wealth.
2. The dismantling of welfare and blaming of poverty on the poor themselves.
3. Domination of the natural environment and the primacy of industry, corporate interests, and profit over ecological stewardship.
4. Militaristic aquisition and control of natural resources, world policing, American dominance and the criminality of flag defacement (Jesus is big on flags).
5. Unlimited rights to guns of all types.
6. The importance of righteousness of torture.
7. Opposition to evolution in schools and the pandering to the religious right and their goal of dominionism based on Biblical inerrancy.

And don't forget, Jesus was a strong advocate of capital punishment. One of the strongest advocates ever, I'd say. He would sneer and chortle at the Supreme Court's concern over the dignity and humanity of our executions.

I'm not sure how he felt about the rights of fertilized embryos. He might have had a somewhat idiosyncratic position on that, given his upbringing.

Post by **_bcspace** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:50 pm

The fact of the matter is that left-wing politics is completely incompatible with LDS doctrine so this is not suprising.

Indeed!
Anyone who has read the words of Jesus knows that underneath it all he was promoting first the following basic principles:

1. Money. Unmoderated capitalism, trickle down economics, and the right to accumulation of unlimited personal wealth.
2. The dismantling of welfare and blaming of poverty on the poor themselves.
3. Domination of the natural environment and the primacy of industry, corporate interests, and profit over ecological stewardship.
4. Militaristic aquisition and control of natural resources, world policing, American dominance and the criminality of flag defacement (Jesus is big on flags).
5. Unlimited rights to guns of all types.
6. The importance of righteousness of torture.
7. Opposition to evolution in schools and the pandering to the religious right and their goal of dominionism based on Biblical inerrancy.

Notice how Tarski was unable to list any aspect of left-wing politics that is compatible with the words of Jesus.

Post by **_Moniker** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:04 am

bcspace wrote:The fact of the matter is that left-wing politics is completely incompatible with LDS doctrine so this is not suprising.

Can you list the left-wing politics that are incompatible with the teachings of Jesus and the right-wing politics that are compatible with the teachings of Jesus?

Post by **_bcspace** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:26 am

Can you list the left-wing politics that are incompatible with the teachings of Jesus and the right-wing politics that are compatible with the teachings of Jesus?

I can. But we can start with one each.

Socialism is an example of a left-wing incompatibility with LDS doctrine.

Helping the poor is an example of a right-wing compatibility with LDS doctrine.

Post by **_Moniker** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:28 am

bcspace wrote:
Can you list the left-wing politics that are incompatible with the teachings of Jesus and the right-wing politics that are compatible with the teachings of Jesus?

I can. But we can start with one each.

Socialism is an example of a left-wing incompatibility with LDS doctrine.

Helping the poor is an example of a right-wing compatibility with LDS doctrine.

Helping the poor in what way? The left and right approach to poverty is different.

~edited to add~

Socialism is not an issue it's a political ideology. What are the precise political issues that are found in current political debate that would line up with the views of Jesus?

Post by **_bcspace** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:32 am

I didn't say LDS doctrine --- the teachings of Jesus.

I originally specified LDS doctrine. However, I don't differentiate between the two.

Post by **_Moniker** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:33 am

bcspace wrote:
I didn't say LDS doctrine --- the teachings of Jesus.

I originally specified LDS doctrine. However, I don't differentiate between the two.

I took that out. That's fine, yet, I'm not familiar with LDS doctrine. If you can tie the doctrine into the teachings that works for me. See my edited post. :)

Post by **_Jason Bourne** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:51 am

bcspace wrote:
I was a memeber of the Mormon Church for almost exactly 20 years. I left for several reasons, some of which were purely personal. But the decision of Church leaders to join the political campaigns of the right-wing also contributed.

The fact of the matter is that left-wing politics is completely incompatible with LDS doctrine so this is not suprising.

Oh horsen manure. I know many LDS who are liberal democrats who are good members. Among them my current SP, my prior SP and now area 70, another person who is in the 1st Quorum of the 70 now. And Pres Faust was a democrat.

Post by **_bcspace** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:57 am

The fact of the matter is that left-wing politics is completely incompatible with LDS doctrine so this is not suprising.

Oh horsen manure. I know many LDS who are liberal democrats who are good members.

I know those who's membership is not in question, but that's not the point. I don't know any believing LDS at all who are liberal democrats. The two are mutually incompatible.

Among them my current SP, my prior SP and now area 70, another person who is in the 1st Quorum of the 70 now. And Pres Faust was a democrat.

I would not hesitate to say to any SP or apostle for that matter that to be a democrat currently is to be a traitor to God (the LDS God) and country. I had a politically active SP who was a Democrat and whose son was my home teaching companion. When they each asked me about supporting his candidacy, I told them each how I viewed the subject.

Post by **_Jason Bourne** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:03 am

Oh horsen manure. I know many LDS who are liberal democrats who are good members.

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I know those who's membership is not in question, but that's not the point. I don't know any believing LDS at all who are liberal democrats. The two are mutually incompatible.

You must run in little narrow minded circles then.

Among them my current SP, my prior SP and now area 70, another person who is in the 1st Quorum of the 70 now. And Pres Faust was a democrat.

I would not hesitate to say to any SP or apostle for that matter that to be a democrat currently is to be a traitor to God (the LDS God) and country. I had a politically active SP who was a Democrat and whose son was my home teaching companion. When they each asked me about supporting his candidacy, I told them each how I viewed the subject.[/quote]

My prior SP and current one are the two of the finest Christians I know. And what about our very own Robert Crockett. He is a liberal as well.

Anyway, while I am politically conservative members like you who equate being LDS in good standing to being politically conservatives make me puke. You are small minded and rather bigoted in my view. So I assume you would have told President Faust and Marlin Jensen they are traitors to God, the LDS Church and to their country? What an idiot.