Temple work on behalf of deceased Muslims?

[_Dr. Shades]

capt jack (or anyone else familiar with family history submissions):

According to the records for the Prophet Muhammad, we see his family history information--birth, death, parents, spouse, etc.--but is there any way of knowing whether or not any LDS ordinances were performed by proxy for him?

[_ludwigm]

Members should feed the temples with lists for work.

Otherwise little-used temples would be converted into mosques.

see: Proposal over Muslim churches (in Netherlands)

[_The Nehor]

Bring it on.

[_Daniel Peterson]

This is an interesting topic. I know a lot about it. A lot.

If civil, substantive, non-demonizing discussion had been possible on this message board, I would have been happy to discuss this topic.

You get the board you want.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

If civil, substantive, non-demonizing discussion had been possible on this message board, I would have been happy to discuss this topic.

I see DCP's 'martyr complex' is starting to kick in -- how long before he picks up his bucket and stomps away from the sandbox (for the umpteenth time)?

[_Tarski]

This is an interesting topic. I know a lot about it. A lot.

If civil, substantive, non-demonizing discussion had been possible on this message board, I would have been happy to discuss this topic.

You get the board you want.

Hey! No "tease and run" please! You should either tell us what you know or you should have never bragged of knowledge you never intended to share.

So come on. What interesting insight on this can you give us?
Take to the celestial if you must.

[_Daniel Peterson]

If civil, substantive, non-demonizing discussion had been possible on this message board, I would have been happy to discuss this topic.

I see DCP's 'martyr complex' is starting to kick in -- how long before he picks up his bucket and stomps away from the sandbox (for the umpteenth time)?

Do you really lack self-awareness to such an extent that you can't see the reality here?

You attack and attack and attack. You demonize. You refuse to grant that those who disagree with you can do so in good faith. You mock. You stand by (at the very least) while others here ridicule your opponent's physical appearance, call him a liar, make fun of his alleged psychological defects. You probe and probe and probe, zealously trying to get your chosen target to say something that you can portray as self-contradictory or self-incriminating.

Then, when your target grows tired and exasperated with the game, you mock him for his alleged "martyr complex."

Do you wonder why so few believing Latter-day Saints come here for discussions? Why the conversations here are, on the whole, so one-sided? Why serious LDS scholars have no interest in the place?

Does this not bother you at least a little bit? Is this the kind of board you want?

I hope so, because it's the kind of board you have, and the kind of board you're likely to continue to have in perpetuity.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

If civil, substantive, non-demonizing discussion had been possible on this message board, I would have been happy to discuss this topic.

I see DCP's 'martyr complex' is starting to kick in -- how long before he picks up his bucket and stomps away from the sandbox (for the umpteenth time)?

You attack and attack and attack.

One man's "attack" is another man's "debate" or "discuss." C'mon, get a thicker skin.

You demonize.

False.

You refuse to grant that those who disagree with you can do so in good faith.

False.

You mock.

Sorta 'the pot calling the kettle black' and all that.

You stand by (at the very least) while others here ridicule your opponent's physical appearance, call him a liar, make fun of his alleged psychological defects.

I do not engage in this, and certainly do not condone anyone who does.

You probe and probe and probe, zealously trying to get your chosen target to say something that you can portray as self-contradictory or self-incriminating.

It's called truth-seeking.

Then, when your target grows tired and exasperated with the game, you mock him for his alleged "martyr complex."

Dan, you're the one who chose to post on this thread with a teaser ("I know a lot!") and then say you won't participate because others are mean to you. What would you call that?

Do you wonder why so few believing Latter-day Saints come here for discussions? Why the conversations here are, on the whole, so one-sided? Why serious LDS scholars have no interest in the place?

Plenty of believing LDS are here, and conversations are rarely one-sided (unlike at FAIR). And "serious LDS scholars" may not be here because they can't hack backing up their more audacious claims and arguments. They prefer the more favorable (and protective) environment of FAIR (from which any serious challenger has been banned).

Does this not bother you at least a little bit? Is this the kind of board you want?

I want an absolute open discussion, that allows for criticism and opposition. The topic is the issue, not the person.

I hope so, because it's the kind of board you have, and the kind of board you're likely to continue to have in perpetuity.

Which is why I am here. Why are you?

[_bcspace]

If so, how do you think the Islamic world will react, if at all? What sort of "fallout" would individual Mormons experience, and/or how would the church's public image fare?

Despite the confidence I hear among Muslims about the ineffectiveness of nonIslamic beliefs and ordinances, I believe there would be acts of violence against the Church and it's members. But you can't discount change. If any of those countries truly open up to the missionaries, then we will have powerful momentum against such things though I think they would still occur for a time.

[_capt jack]

capt jack (or anyone else familiar with family history submissions):

According to the records for the Prophet Muhammad, we see his family history information--birth, death, parents, spouse, etc.--but is there any way of knowing whether or not any LDS ordinances were performed by proxy for him?

Apparently there is; when I posted about this topic on another site, a "TBM Lurker" posted the following:

To really be sure about temple ordinances, you have to go to the IGI, and you can only get there by applying for a password. Mormons need their membership number, and their date of confirmation to get that password. I have no idea what non-LDS folks need to get a password, but I am sure there is a way.

I went over to the IGI part of the site, and Muhammed is there, along with his father and some of his descendants, and his wives. But, there is no temple work done for them.

That could mean a couple of things:

The temple work was done, but has been erased due to the fact that the church doesn't want to deal with the obvious blowback of that.

The names were added to the ancestral files, but there is no intention of doing any work.

Someone submitted the names, and produced the ordinance cards, but didn't do the ordinances yet.

My own guess is that the work has been done but records of the temple work for Muhammed have been hidden from public view. Which is the prudent thing to do, in my opinion, in this case. I'd actually like the church to remove the names and addresses of the submitters for both Muhammed and Ali.