Are you so clueless as to not recognize that people who support abortion rights do not view first term abortions as the "wholesale destruction of thousands of unborn children"?
Are you so clueless as to not recognize that the Church does not differentiate between first trimester abortions from third? Since the debate is about what conflicts with LDS doctrine, your bit of information here does not advance your point.
beastie wrote:If LDS truly viewed abortion as murder, they would not allow abortion in the cases of rape and incest - and only allow it when the life of the mother was in danger, which could be argued as a form of self-defense.
The life of the mother is always in more danger when she is pregnant than when she is not--especially during labor which will often occur as a result of pregnancy.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
The life of the mother is always in more danger when she is pregnant than when she is not--especially during labor which will often occur as a result of pregnancy.
This is true, but I'm assuming that those who would allow abortions only to save the life of the mother have more direct health threats in mind.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Are you so clueless as to not recognize that the Church does not differentiate between first trimester abortions from third? Since the debate is about what conflicts with LDS doctrine, your bit of information here does not advance your point.
I guess it's difficult to keep your own one-liners straight. You told me:
Far less disgusting than the wholesale destruction of thousands of unborn children just because someone forgot to wear a condom. Plus the mother can still decide to carry to term. You can't have it both ways; the one being repulsive and the other not.
You're telling me that I cannot have it both ways. According to you, I have to view first trimester abortion as horrendous as the acts of your malicious god. In response, I explained to you that I do not view first trimester abortions as the destruction of "unborn children", and gave you a picture to help illustrate my point. Now you're pretending that your response was about LDS teachings???
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Indeed. I said "like unto murder", I did not say it equates to murder. Some have been arguing against a strawman here. While the Church does see a difference, it does consider it to be extremely serious. In fact, murder, unchasity, and abortion are often referenced in the same breath.
I see. So abortion isn't murder, but "like unto murder", like unchastity. Should fornication and adultery also be punishable by law?
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
I don't have the article in front of me, but BYU Magazine ran a piece on Nibley before his death. If I remember correctly, his wife stated that one of the things she admired most about her husband was that Hugh was still a staunch Democrat.
BH Roberts was also a fervent democrat -as are some apologists on MAD, like Kerry Shirts.
Unfortunately, BC is not alone in his attitude in the LDS church. One of my mother's democratic LDS friends has been called a "baby-killer" by an LDS republican.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Anything that does not hew the conservative party line is socialism.
Are the various universal healthcare proposals socialism or not? Is the public redistribution of wealth socialism or not?
What precisely is that substance in your cranium that passes for a brain?
Edited to ad: To others, I apologize for resort to ad homenin. But sometimes you just gotta call a spade (or a dimwit) a spade (or dimwit).
Ad hominem and all sorts of logical fallicies are the strongest weapons in the liberal arsenal.
Notice the lack and even avoidance of actual dialogue on their part. They know their ideology conflicts with LDS doctrine but would rather persist than have light shine on this fact. If they had any truth at all on their side, they would not have to resort to ad hominem.
Every time you open your virtual mouth, you prove the substance of my accusation.
Thank you for the validation.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
Every time you open your virtual mouth, you prove the substance of my accusation.
Thank you for the validation.
Everytime you post without providing an example of how leftwing ideology is compatible with LDS doctrine you prove my point that it isn't.
Wow, yet again you oblige me.
You're a satirist's dream.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."