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_dblagent007
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moksha wrote:
bcspace wrote:Another example, due to socialized systems around the world, the US citizen bears more and more of the brunt for the cost of drug research.


You mean they contribute more profit to the Pharmecutical Corporation's coffers, while the patients of the socialized sytems are insulated from this price gouging.


Yup, that's right. But then what do the pharma companies do with said profits? They invest it to come up with new medicines, technologies, etc. so that they can make more money. However, their profit motive generally results in improving the quality of the patients lives. The rest of the world is mooching off of us. If we join them, the pace of improvements in the medical field will dramatically decrease.

The biggest problem with medicine today is medicare. A friend of mine came up with an improved medical device that would greatly reduce the cost to the consumer. He tried to sell the idea to a medical device company and the CEO rejected it because he does not want anything that reduces the cost. Why? Because Medicare will pay a percentage of the cost of a device. If he improves the device so that it costs less, he will make less money. He is getting the same percentage, but it is now for a smaller dollar amount (i.e.., 10% of $100 is more than 10% of $20).

The government has screwed up the incentives in the market. If the market was allowed to work, this new product would immediately hit the market because the improvement would allow this person to make more money while still charging the consumer less. Eventually this companies competitors would join in and drive the cost down until a new improvement came along that dramatically reduced the price again.

Government IS the problem, not the solution.
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The government has screwed up the incentives in the market. If the market was allowed to work, this new product would immediately hit the market because the improvement would allow this person to make more money while still charging the consumer less. Eventually this companies competitors would join in and drive the cost down until a new improvement came along that dramatically reduced the price again.

Government IS the problem, not the solution.


Exactly. Single payer or single buyer, either way we all get screwed.
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bcspace wrote:
The government has screwed up the incentives in the market. If the market was allowed to work, this new product would immediately hit the market because the improvement would allow this person to make more money while still charging the consumer less. Eventually this companies competitors would join in and drive the cost down until a new improvement came along that dramatically reduced the price again.

Government IS the problem, not the solution.


Exactly. Single payer or single buyer, either way we all get screwed.


Really? I mean... REALLY? You must hate our socialized Department of Defense. You must despise our socialized NASA. Our superhighways, roads, bridges, levees... Our socialized megaprojects... You must hate our socialized universities, federal funding to private universities, public schools, the Internet, and a myriad of other tech/social/educational advances that have been achieved through collective democratic participation... Through the government.

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Really? I mean... REALLY? You must hate our socialized Department of Defense. You must despise our socialized NASA. Our superhighways, roads, bridges, levees... Our socialized megaprojects... You must hate our socialized universities, federal funding to private universities, public schools, the Internet, and a myriad of other tech/social/educational advances that have been achieved through collective democratic participation... Through the government.


The less government the better. But I think you've got a lot to learn about socialism and economics in general if this is your conclusion. For example, there is a huge difference between the efficient distribution of goods and services in the health care system and war which in order to be succesful must not be efficient by it's very nature.
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dblagent007 wrote:
By the way, you might want to check your history and see who the biggest opponents of the civil rights legislation of the 50s-70s were (answer: southern democrats).


Who by the way are now whistling Dixie for the Republicans. Of course, not all these opponents to civil rights legislation were in the south (nudge, nudge, wink wink).

So you think we would have been better off if we would have let private industry manage labor laws, food inspection and air quality, eh?
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bcspace wrote:
Really? I mean... REALLY? You must hate our socialized Department of Defense. You must despise our socialized NASA. Our superhighways, roads, bridges, levees... Our socialized megaprojects... You must hate our socialized universities, federal funding to private universities, public schools, the Internet, and a myriad of other tech/social/educational advances that have been achieved through collective democratic participation... Through the government.


The less government the better. But I think you've got a lot to learn about socialism and economics in general if this is your conclusion. For example, there is a huge difference between the efficient distribution of goods and services in the health care system and war which in order to be succesful must not be efficient by it's very nature.


Speaking of learning a lot about economics:

Competition may lead to efficiencies within a company, but that does not translate to efficiencies in a market. Competition requires redundancy in the distribution of goods and services and strategies aimed solely at reducing or eliminating competition--which may not lead to better economic conditions for the consumer. Indeed, private forces are known to collude, fix prices, stuff channels, engaging in predatory pricing and a host of other things that do not benefit the consumer.

Furthermore, if your system is entirely based on profit, then private companies will have no incentive to do those things which are by their nature unprofitable. Such as rural mail service or providing health care to the elderly.
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I'm voting for Barack Obama. Just like I did in the primaries.
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one moment, of the well of life to taste-
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starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

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Post by _LifeOnaPlate »

bcspace wrote:
The less government the better.


Someone should have informed the hilariously poor Bush administration.

By the way, BC:

George W. Bush. Great president, or greatest president?
One moment in annihilation's waste,
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Post by _John Larsen »

LifeOnaPlate wrote:
bcspace wrote:
The less government the better.


Someone should have informed the hilariously poor Bush administration.

By the way, BC:

George W. Bush. Great president, or greatest president?


I vote democrat for the white house because I want less government and fiscal responsibility. Check out the last 40 years of presidents and you will know what I am talking about.
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Post by _KimberlyAnn »

LifeOnaPlate wrote:
bcspace wrote:
The less government the better.


Someone should have informed the hilariously poor Bush administration.

By the way, BC:

George W. Bush. Great president, or greatest president?


George W?

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