New Church Survey on Polygamy and FLDS

[_truth dancer]

Found this interesting article today...

The church did a survey of 1,000 people to understand public perception of their relationship to the FLDS, only 29% thought the FLDS and LDS had no relationship.

I'll say it again, I do not understand how all the reporters STILL repeat the FALSE and misleading mantra that the LDS church discontinued polygamy in 1890. It is just not true, and why no investigative reporter has not looked into this floors me. Unlike the majority of articles I have read on this topic, this article does at least show a little bit of the truth regarding the LDS church.

I have yet to read an article describing the church's current belief and practice of polygamy.

polygamy article


~dancer~

[_Seven]

from the article

As part of the new initiative to set itself apart from polygamist groups, the church's general counsel, Lance Wickman, wrote a letter to media executives this week urging sensitivity in coverage and asking that the term "fundamentalist Mormon" not be used.

"Decades ago, the founders of that sect rejected the doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, were excommunicated," he wrote, "and then started their own religion."

Funny, it sounds like he's talking about the mainstream LDS church here.

[_moksha]

I am glad they are distancing themselves from polygamy.

[_Mahonri]

How much tithing money goes to this kind of crap? And still Jesus is begging to 2 Billion $$$ for shopping centers.

[_harmony]

How much tithing money goes to this kind of crap? And still Jesus is begging to 2 Billion $$$ for shopping centers.

Jesus begs for nothing. Those are men at the helm, in case you haven't noticed.

[_Jason Bourne]

Found this interesting article today...



I'll say it again, I do not understand how all the reporters STILL repeat the FALSE and misleading mantra that the LDS church discontinued polygamy in 1890. It is just not true, and why no investigative reporter has not looked into this floors me. Unlike the majority of articles I have read on this topic, this article does at least show a little bit of the truth regarding the LDS church.



~dancer~

Really it is because the issue of when polygamy stopped is complex and requires some leg work. The average reporter is not going to chase it. And really think about it. At this point, from their stand point who cares? 1890 or 1905? It was still over a hundred years ago. What will it add to the story to say "The LDS Church officially claims to have abandoned polygamy in 1890. However, further research reveals that Pres. Woodruffs carefully worded "manifesto" was somewhat to what we would call a PC ploy and the LDS Church still sanctioned some post manifesto plural marriages. It took almost 15 years to totally stamp this out of the LDS Church when finally in 1906 then Church Pres JFS issued....blah, blah, blah...."

I mean in a news spot most listeners will not really care.

[_Seven]

Found this interesting article today...



I'll say it again, I do not understand how all the reporters STILL repeat the FALSE and misleading mantra that the LDS church discontinued polygamy in 1890. It is just not true, and why no investigative reporter has not looked into this floors me. Unlike the majority of articles I have read on this topic, this article does at least show a little bit of the truth regarding the LDS church.



~dancer~

Really it is because the issue of when polygamy stopped is complex and requires some leg work. The average reporter is not going to chase it. And really think about it. At this point, from their stand point who cares? 1890 or 1905? It was still over a hundred years ago. What will it add to the story to say "The LDS Church officially claims to have abandoned polygamy in 1890. However, further research reveals that Pres. Woodruffs carefully worded "manifesto" was somewhat to what we would call a PC ploy and the LDS Church still sanctioned some post manifesto plural marriages. It took almost 15 years to totally stamp this out of the LDS Church when finally in 1906 then Church Pres JFS issued....blah, blah, blah...."

I mean in a news spot most listeners will not really care.

Polygamy hasn't been stamped out of the church. It remains a current LDS doctrine (required for exaltation) and spiritual polygny is taking place in Mormon temples today. Three current apostles have already started their Celestial harems.
Until the church removes D & C 132 or gets a new "revelation" that Celestial marriage is only ordained by God between ONE man and ONE woman, the earthly practice of polygny is just on hold.

[_Jason Bourne]

I realized after that TD most likely was referrring to current LDS policy on sealings as well as past history. As for policy for sealings well yea, polygamy is still possible for the after life. But again, I think the theological intricacies of this fo beyond what the public an consume from reporters in brief news spots. I think that is why they avoid it.

Polygamy hasn't been stamped out of the church.

Polygamy in for living persons is not practiced at all by the Church.

It remains a current LDS doctrine (required for exaltation)

Not under current LDS doctrine.

and spiritual polygny is taking place in Mormon temples today.

Agreed.

Three current apostles have already started their Celestial harems.
Until the church removes D & C 132 or gets a new "revelation" that Celestial marriage is only ordained by God between ONE man and ONE woman, the earthly practice of polygny is just on hold.

Technically you are correct. But the Old Testament contains the Law of Moses and is part of LDS canon and we don't do that either nor do I think we ever will.

The LDS Church will never institute polygamy again. As can see on another thread just started it is one of the most anti polygamy groups around. The Church today wishes it would have never happened. Yet still we have the aberration of the current sealing policies.

[_Seven]

I realized after that TD most likely was referrring to current LDS policy on sealings as well as past history. As for policy for sealings well yea, polygamy is still possible for the after life. But again, I think the theological intricacies of this fo beyond what the public an consume from reporters in brief news spots. I think that is why they avoid it.

Polygamy hasn't been stamped out of the church.

Polygamy in for living persons is not practiced at all by the Church.

agreed, although you never know what secret practices could be going on. Let's not forget that plural marriage was sometimes only required of certain individuals when the church is not ready for it. (Nauvoo, Kirtland)

Seven: It remains a current LDS doctrine (required for exaltation)

Jason Bourne: Not under current LDS doctrine.

"Celestial marriage" and exaltation are not the same. I haven't seen one statement by the First Presidency stating that plural marriage is not required for exaltation. Until a new "revelation" removes section 132, it remains current doctrine.

The LDS Church will never institute polygamy again.

Can you point me to one statement by a Prophet confirming that polygamy is "never" going to return? (I've seen several to the contrary and the current Prophets are very careful in how they word the issue)

As can see on another thread just started it is one of the most anti polygamy groups around.
The Church today wishes it would have never happened. Yet still we have the aberration of the current sealing policies.

Have you ever visited the MADB?

[_Jason Bourne]

agreed, although you never know what secret practices could be going on. Let's not forget that plural marriage was sometimes only required of certain individuals when the church is not ready for it. (Nauvoo, Kirtland)

True but I would be totally shocked.

Seven: It remains a current LDS doctrine (required for exaltation)

Jason Bourne: Not under current LDS doctrine.

"Celestial marriage" and exaltation are not the same. I haven't seen one statement by the First Presidency stating that plural marriage is not required for exaltation. Until a new "revelation" removes section 132, it remains current doctrine.

I have seem comments about one wife being enough to meet the requirements of celestial marriage for exaltation. This is pretty clear that it is the church's position. And on its own 132 really does not require many wives but allows for it. We do have comments by BY and others that plural marriage was required for exaltation but many will argue that was when polygamy was commanded. Since it is not now no need for it.

The LDS Church will never institute polygamy again.

Can you point me to one statement by a Prophet confirming that polygamy is "never" going to return? (I've seen several to the contrary and the current Prophets are very careful in how they word the issue)

No this is just my opinion.

As can see on another thread just started it is one of the most anti polygamy groups around.
The Church today wishes it would have never happened. Yet still we have the aberration of the current sealing policies.

Have you ever visited the MADB?

I think some of the far out poster there are not really representative of the Church in general. When I say the Church is the most anti Polygamy group I refer to the Church leadership.