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[_EAllusion]

You picked Morris's worst reviewed and Mann's best reviewed in order to get Mann close. That's pathetic. Fortunately, I'm not an idiot and can pick this up. You know, Morris had a film out in 1999 when Grass was also out. 100% (!) its 53 reviews are positive. 71% of Grass's 34 reviews are positive.

I picked my favorite Mann movie, and the only Morris movie I know of. I didn't even look at the other reviews. I don't rely on that website as much as you do.

I pointed out that Morris is consistently has more and better reviews. Since rottentomatoes is the best place to look at comprehensive lists of reviews, it makes for a good body of evidence. You retorted that Morris's film has 78% positive compared to Mann's 71%. This makes it seem like they are close in terms of critical appraisal. But that's misleading as all get out, because all of Mann's other films are reviewed worse and all of Morris's other are reviewed better. You picked a high point and a low point of critical appraisal to compare. Again, Morris make films that get more critical attention and his reviews are much better. This quite clear from looking at the reviews.

You don't even know Morris's work. The only Morris movie you know of is the one that was released a few months ago. That's odd for a variety of reasons. He's pretty essential for a fan of documentaries for one.

[_GoodK]

You don't even know Morris's work.

I said that back on pages 1-3. Following the flow of conversation doesn't appear to be your strong suit.

That's odd for a variety of reasons. He's pretty essential for a fan of documentaries for one.

Your opinions are meaningful to me. What do you do again? Don't tell me you're the webmaster for www.rottentomatoes.com.

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I am a former foster child.

Things were probably a lot different in the 30's.

Edited to add:

You are trying to say that Morgan Spurlock supports homosexual adoption (I don't know if he does or not) and thus has a liberal agenda because a nice, reasonable gay couple (not wearing their leather chaps) was chosen to particapte in an episode of his show. Furthermore, you are accusing him of producing "propoganda" being "transparent" and is just not as cool as your favorite director.

That's what you're saying, isn't it?

Following the flow of a conversation doesn't appear to be your strongsuit.

Why do you say Spurlock has a liberal agenda and produces propoganda in a transparent and unfavorable way? I thought I finally had figured out your argument.

[_EAllusion]

I said that back on page 3. Following the flow of conversation doesn't appear to be your strong suit.

It wasn't clear just how little you know until now. You're like the person who thinks knowing the capital of England is hard because you don't know it.

Your opinions are meaningful to me.

You're the guy who thinks Morris is obscure, but Ron Mann is not, right?

Things were probably a lot different in the 30's.

I'm sure the posters here who know my age are getting a kick out of this.

[_GoodK]

It wasn't clear just how little you know until now.

I'm sorry for not saying it any more clearer than:

I only know of him from a freshman film class...

Notice how I'm not judging Morris' film making abilities. I hate looking like I don't know what I'm talking about.

Like I said, not your strong suit.

You're like the person who thinks knowing the capital of England is hard because you don't know it.

Who the hell cares about Morris. This red herring is getting old. If you recall, this is how Morris came up:

You:
"I strongly dislike Morgan Spurlock and his style of documentary."

Me:
"I have to disagree with EA and say that Spurlock is one of the best film makers around right now."

You:
"Even if you like him, I think a statement like that should be reserved for documentarians like Errol Morris."

And four pages of EA's boner for Morris follow.

You're the guy who thinks Morris is obscure, but Ron Mann is not, right?

They are both obscure in the mainstream. Why are you twisting my words? You asked for a three directors who had more name recognition today. I gave you
a list off the top of my head. If I wanted to follow your lead do some research on IMDB, I'm sure I could find some directors who have been more successful. But I was
speaking from my own experience. You latched on to Mann and haven't let go since. Should I assume that the other two that I named, off the top of my head, pass your test of obscurity? Nevermind, don't answer that. I don't care.

Things were probably a lot different in the 30's.

I'm sure the posters here who know my age are getting a kick out of this.

Again, you can't tell when I am making fun of you.

[_EAllusion]

I'm sorry for not saying it any more clearer than...

For all I know, you could've learned about the Thin Blue Line from a freshman film class. It wouldn't have even been implausible for you to have seen one of his films or segments of it as part of a class at that point. It could be more clear. I actually wasn't sure just how little you knew. It appears as though you just heard his name once or something to that effect.

They are both obscure in the mainstream. Why are you twisting my words? You asked for a three directors who had more name recognition today.

Ok. I could have worded it better. You are the person who thinks Mann is less obscure than Moore. Better? If you can't tell, this displays enough ignorance to undermine your credibility in a way that I get a kick out of. Seriously though, Morris is one of the more prominent figures in the genre, artistically and commercially. Since it is a genre you profess to love, you might want to check him out.

Morris quite clearly has more recognition today. One piece of evidence is that his latest film was widely seen and reviewed, which is more than what can be said for Mann. Indeed, all of his comparable films have a wider reach. You simply are not aware of Morris's impact. Morris is probably one of the most recognizable documentarians alive. As far as his non-documentary work goes, most people would recognize most of his ads if you told them what they were.

Again, you can't tell when I am making fun of you.

I know you are making fun of me. You've seized on that old-timer bit. It's funny when you realize that I'm fairly young for the board.

[_cksalmon]

Great thread.

[_EAllusion]

Just a second here ... what is your problem with "how cigarettes were treated" ?

I don't think, for instance, that cigarette bans in businesses should be happening when it is voluntary to work at them or use their services. I think some of the lawsuits against tobacco companies were poorly decided given public knowledge of the harm they produce. After the tobacco lawsuits, fast food was quickly becoming the next target for the some of the same trial lawyers. I disapproved. Do I disagree with efforts to make knowledge of the harm cigarettes cause public? No.

[_GoodK]

It wouldn't have even been implausible for you to have seen one of his films or segments of it as part of a class at that point.

I never said I didn't. I said it was the only film I knew of. As in, the only one I could think of to search for on your oracle of movie wisdom to see the reviews. You asked me to, remember?

It could be more clear. I actually wasn't sure just how little you knew. It appears as though you just heard his name once or something to that effect.

Why. Because I don't agree with you? Because I said Morgan Spurlock had more name recognition today. That's what I said before you took us on this escapade, remember.

They are both obscure in the mainstream. Why are you twisting my words? You asked for a three directors who had more name recognition today.

Ok. I could have worded it better .You are the person who thinks Mann is less obscure than Moore. Better?

No. Not better. How about you say, "You are the person who answered my question :

Besides Moore and Spurlock, can you name three other documentary makers with more fame (as documentary makers)?

*(notice how you implied that Spurlock is more famous than Morris? Isn't that what you are arguing with? What's your problem?)*

With Rob Epstein, Kenny Hotz, and Ron Mann." I admitted Kenny is more famous for his latest TV show, and was only half serious and talking about fame. Period.

What did you expect me to do? Contract PEW?

Do you think I looked these names up on the internet?

Why would I know about them? Because they have all done stuff I've seen, heard of, or talked about recently.

But apparently this leads you to arrive at this conclusion(?):

If you can't tell, this displays enough ignorance to undermine your credibility in a way that I get a kick out of.

Do you know how ridiculous you sound? What are you even talking about? My credibility in Errol Morris trivia?

Incredible.

Seriously though, Morris is one of the more prominent figures in the genre, artistically and commercially. Since it is a genre you profess to love, you might want to check him out.

Not to indulge you and your Morris distraction any further, but I think you equate the word prominence with skill, while I do not.

Morris quite clearly has more recognition today.

Then Spurlock? NO. He is not.

"If Michael Moore is America’s number one documentary filmmaker, then after releasing Super Size Me Morgan Spurlock definitely became number 2."
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Has-Morg ... -7091.html (I found this site by googling Morgan Spurlock + liberal. Seriously)

One piece of evidence is that his latest film was widely seen and reviewed, which is more than what can be said for Mann.

Clever how you changed the subject with Mann (red herring) when your original argument was with Spurlock. You silly old man.


Let this be a lesson to all of you about answering an EAloaded question.

Again, you can't tell when I am making fun of you.

I know you are making fun of me. You've seized on that old-timer bit. It's funny when you realize that I'm fairly young for the board.

You still don't get it then. Here is a little reminder:

Remember when the History Channel managed to win the rights to air The Fog of War? Remember when they advertized the bejesus out of it, then made its showing into a special event? Good times

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And please. Feel free to veer back on track with either of these:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/24012/30-days-animal-rights

http://www.hulu.com/watch/5293/30-days- ... -gay-world

I purposely chose those episodes for you. And Coggins. Wherever he is.

[_Bond...James Bond]

You know in the episode where he lives on minimum wage he showed up his ACLU card. Is not that evidence of his liberalness? :P

[_GoodK]

You know in the episode where he lives on minimum wage he showed up his ACLU card. Is not that evidence of his liberalness? :P

They issue cards? I know Bond has one then. Let's see it buddy. And Moniker. Both of you, hand em over.