And the Impotence Came Crashing In

[Gadianton]

Dr W and Shades, thanks for the fascinating information about launching nukes.

[canpakes]

I bet if Trump loses his legal battles, he will concede. He would be a fool not to as he would start losing his base.

No.

Trump will leave because he has to. He will NEVER concede. Contrary to your conclusion above, conceding would damage his standing with his Base. Not conceding will prove, in their mind, that he’s a larger-than-life warrior fighting against the Deep State; that he is correct and always will be, that the Crooked Media proclaimed Biden the winner in order to steal the election, and that Trump only left so that he could someday return to claim what is rightfully ‘his’ - and by extension, what is rightfully the Base’s.

None of what he wants, and none of what his Base needs, can survive Trump ‘conceding’ anything.

Mark my words, make a bet with me, and bookmark my post. ; )

[Gadianton]

Isn't that what you've always done?

Undermined the constitution?

I'm open to examples of how I've undermined the constitution if you're willing to provide them. Here are some things I can think of:

- I voted for Biden
- I've claimed that the South lost the Civil War.
- I reject the accusations of voting fraud.

Well, on that last one, I'm pretty sure I saw you concede the election while lauding Trump's performance and his big car parade. I haven't seen you aggressively take up the case for voting fraud on this forum. So I dunno, are you also not complicit in undermining the constitution?

[DrW]

I bet if Trump loses his legal battles, he will concede. He would be a fool not to as he would start losing his base.

No.

Trump will leave because he has to. He will NEVER concede. Contrary to your conclusion above, conceding would damage his standing with his Base. Not conceding will prove, in their mind, that he’s a larger-than-life warrior fighting against the Deep State; that he is correct and always will be, that the Crooked Media proclaimed Biden the winner in order to steal the election, and that Trump only left so that he could someday return to claim what is rightfully ‘his’ - and by extension, what is rightfully the Base’s.

None of what he wants, and none of what his Base needs, can survive Trump ‘conceding’ anything.

Mark my words, make a bet with me, and bookmark my post. ; )

Whether or not canpakes is correct (and I see no evidence at this point that he isn't), it should be incumbent upon the Federal Department of Justice and various local jurisdictions to bring formal charges against Trump and his co-conspirators where justified by evidence. Federal criminal charges for treason against Mueller Report unindicted co-conspirator #1 would be a good place to start, with SDNY charges for financial crimes to follow. These will no doubt be accompanied by a boatload of civil cases, many of which have been held in abeyance while Trump was president.

The US should ensure that Trump and his ilk are prosecuted. If convicted, the guilty should go to prison. Allowing a mentally deranged and delusional Trump to simply walk away to continue his destruction of democracy, having committed felonies before, during, and possibly after being entrusted with the highest office in the land, would be a great disservice to the country. No one should be above the law.

[Moksha]

Criminal Attorney General William Barr is going to war against democracy:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... fraud.html

[Dr Exiled]

That's a bit much (the bold part). They are merely asking to look into the questionable occurrences that happened in the swing states. I bet if Trump loses his legal battles, he will concede. He would be a fool not to as he would start losing his base. Trump doesn't want to lose his popularity with his base and could leverage said popularity into a television show or perhaps a new network. So, he doesn't want to be removed by force and will leave in peace in my opinion. Just give it a few more weeks.

in my opinion, you are completely misrepresenting what is going on. This is part of a campaign to undermine trust in fundamental democratic (small d) institutions. I'm sure the self-described Leninist Steve Bannon, who said he wants to burn it all down, is loving it. Elections are never perfect. Counting 150 million votes will undoubtedly involve mistakes. But the system builds in ways to correct them, and we've seen example of errors that were discovered, investigated, and remedied within the system itself. And, certainly, if an error is found and not corrected, going to court is a perfectly appropriate thing to do.

But that's not what this is. I'm sure you know this from years of legal practice. This is throwing a bunch of [vulgarity] at the wall, praying that the judge will be swayed by volume rather than merit. Trump has been undermining the integrity of the election process for over four years. He's escalated over the past year -- convincing millions of Americans that the only way he could lose the election is through fraud. Knowing that mail in ballots take time to count, he urged his supporters to vote on election, and claimed for weeks that if the election wasn't resolved on election night, Democrats were trying to steal the election.

Trump has a cult-like following that is damn big. He's repeatedly told his people not to believe what they see or read -- only he will give them the truth. And his devotees have shown over and over that they will flat out ignore or deny evidence if it conflicts with what Trump says. How else do you convince thousands of people to ignore the danger to their own life and health to go to a political rally?

Trump's base will never abandon him, because he built a base on the lie that Trump is the only person they can trust. They will never believe he lost this election because they will interpret any concession by him as either being under extreme duress or making the ultimate sacrifice for the good of America. But they won't abandon him and they won't accept that he lost.

Have you been watching the press conferences that precede or accompany the lawsuits. Trump and his allies aren't saying "well, we think there are some irregularities and we want to make sure everyone's vote has been counted. They are screaming FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD!!! That's not a good faith attempt to check out irregularities. It's a bad faith attempt to undermine our election process. It's authoritarianism 101.

Trump's base has been eating up lie after lie for several years now. What makes you think they're suddenly going to conclude that Trump is lying to them now?

Demand that they produce evidence, but let the process play out. If Biden truly wants to be president of all the United States, he should allow Trump the chance to prove his claims. The overzealous Trumpista will have conspiracy fuel if the process is cut short. Itll be over by mid December and the republicans will have calmed down by then if Trump cannot prove his case of election fraud. People get emotional during litigation but change once the verdict comes in.

[Nomomo]

Thanks to all of you who replied to Dr Exiled's nonsense. I haven't the patience or inclination to waste my time on such idiocy.

[Gunnar]

It is becoming increasingly clear to me that what Trump and his sycophantic Republican supporters are counting on, or at least hoping for, is that by their conservative nominees to the federal court system, and most particularly the Supreme Court, they have successfully created a judicial system that is wholly subservient to hard right conservative leaders and causes, and will willingly decide any and all cases in their favor, regardless of the actual or even constitutional merits of the case. I trust, and fervently hope they will be disappointed in that expectation and that even among conservative judges there will a significant number with both sufficient integrity and backbone to oppose even would be dictators like Trump when they attempt to violate the law and the U.S. Constitution.

[Some Schmo]

I just want to take a moment and express my disappointment in fast food. If you are not lethal enough to kill a septuagenarian, than your health risks are overblown, and I just can't rely on you for the cardiac arrests I used to expect.

Screw you, KFC.

[Gunnar]

Demand that they produce evidence, but let the process play out. If Biden truly wants to be president of all the United States, he should allow Trump the chance to prove his claims. The overzealous Trumpista will have conspiracy fuel if the process is cut short. Itll be over by mid December and the republicans will have calmed down by then if Trump cannot prove his case of election fraud. People get emotional during litigation but change once the verdict comes in.

Based on what Trump has been able to get away with over the last 4 years, and the way his base and enablers have defended even his worst actions and claims, I have very little confidence that his Republican base "will have calmed down by then if Trump cannot prove his case of election fraud." They have time and again shown very little, if any, respect for any evidence, no matter how incontrovertible or abundant, that conflicts with what they would rather believe or assert.