Double Standard--Question for Will, et. al. from MAD

[_beastie]

Don't misunderstand me - I do realize that many believers would not support Will's behavior. But I think a significant percentage would. I don't know how large that percentage would be, but even if it's a minority, I think it's a significant one, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least half supported it. I say this due to what I witnessed with Pahoran's behavior on Z. Pahoran, of course, is not vulgar and inclined towards sexualization as Will is, but he is very aggressive, combative, and often malicious in his behavior towards exmos. If one just looked at behavior objectively on Z, based on their own rules, he should have been permanently banned long ago. He was repeatedly banned for short terms, but always welcomed back. And during the time I was mod, the temporary bannings were always engaged in reluctantly by the believing mods. They really didn't want to do it, and the only reason they had to was the higher desire to try to apply their rules without bias. They even knew they had some bias, and were treating him differently than they would have treated a critic with that behavior, but they couldn't bring themselves to do what they appeared to want to do - allow his behavior. The fact that MAD was created partly out of dissatisfaction with the moderating of ZLMB is another witness to this fact. MAD allows this sort of behavior in believers. Why????? If the majority of believers dislike this aggressive, combative behavior, why do they allow it?? The answer is that they don't dislike this aggressive, combative behavior even if they can't bring themselves to engage in it, personally. The one thing that would disallow Will's behavior at MAD is his wont to sexualize his comments. That's too much for them. But otherwise, it's fine for him to assume the automatic stance that, by the simple fact of being critics of the LDS church, critics ought to be treated as malicious and malignant individuals with dark impulses inspired by Satan. The majority may be too PC or polite to say it - but they still think it. Look, these people have been taught, over and over, that apostates are satan inspired, malicious, and sinful by their "prophets" and apostles ever since the church began (well, before the church began if one counts Book of Mormon contents). I think some of you fool yourself into thinking that the majority of believers reject this sort of prejudice. Yes, there are some who genuinely do reject it, and you can tell in their interactions. But I really do believe that the majority of believers do not reject this philosophy, and that is why the Pahorans and the Wills secretly please them.

[_beastie]

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! It's a red letter day. beastlie and I are in accord.

So much for the influence of the Holy Ghost.

[_Runtu]

I don't think Will cares if anyone here respects him. Someone said earlier in the thread that Will doesn't consider anyone here worthy of his respect, and I think it cuts both ways. It doesn't bother him in the least that people here don't respect him.

So, in the absence of caring about respect either way, Will isn't here to do anything serious, like have a real discussion about Mormonism. He's here to have a laugh at other people's expense, and it's their fault if they treat him seriously.

Apparently, several FARMS folks are in on the joke and enjoy watching the spectacle.

[_Chap]

I don't think Will cares if anyone here respects him. Someone said earlier in the thread that Will doesn't consider anyone here worthy of his respect, and I think it cuts both ways. It doesn't bother him in the least that people here don't respect him.

So, in the absence of caring about respect either way, Will isn't here to do anything serious, like have a real discussion about Mormonism. He's here to have a laugh at other people's expense, and it's their fault if they treat him seriously.

Apparently, several FARMS folks are in on the joke and enjoy watching the spectacle.

I think Runtu is right: here we have another interesting piece of zoological information about that very rare (in global terms) species the TBM Utahensis: It thinks that its deity is really upset if people say rude words, but show high levels of arousal and interest when these words are uttered by other TBMs to non TBM species members.

More and more the CoJCoLDS begins to look like the atheist's ideal religion: a faith whose content and practice need only be described fully and accurately in order to dissuade anybody from believing in it.

[The Stig]

antishock8:

Well, from what I can see on the Internet, Bill coaches baseball. That's good. Kids need coaches, and I find that admirable. Judging from the pictures I'm not sure I would be throwing stones in a glass house, but that's on him.

I assume you mean Will, as in me.

I coach baseball? Really? And you have pictures to prove it? Really? Well, then – break ‘em out buddy. Let’s see ‘em.

Here's the deal with Bill:

He's a disenfranchised white male.

Not true. I’m a registered voter. My franchise is intact.

He's overweight.

Wrong again. I’m 6’ 4” and 220 lbs of lean, mean fighting machine. I’d kick your ass from here to next week.

He's slightly over-the-hill.

Mmmm. Hard to argue with that one, I suppose. All us baby boomers are “slightly over-the-hill” now. But most of us could still kick your panty-waist prissy ass.

He's of average intellect like most of us.

That’s right. I’m vulgar.

He lives in Cedar City, UT.

That’s right. I’m in the phone book. And, just for the record, Cedar City, UT is the armpit of America. Everyone just stay away. It’s a cesspool of white trash losers and hick farmers who don’t know crap from shinola. So if you’re traveling along I-15 in this neck of the woods, just keep on driving. We don’t want you and I’m sure you don’t want us.

And he's pissed.

That’s right. I am. You try getting Vista to network properly with XP, and see if you can keep from getting pissed, too. Bill Gates must die.

He's pissed about the way he looks.

(Looks into the mirror …) I probably could use a nose hair trim. Other than that …

He's pissed about where this country is headed.

Couldn’t care less. I hope it goes to hell in a handbasket.

He's pissed about his marriage.

News to me. I’ve got a great wench … er, sweetheart. She’s one middle-aged baby boomer hottie with all the skills I could ask for – and more. In fact, she could also kick your ass from here to next week – and beyond.

He's pissed about his job.

Yeah, I’ve got it pretty rough. I’ve now been working out of my home office, about 6 hours a day, 4 days a week, for 10 years. It’s damn near slave labor, and if something doesn’t change pretty soon, I’m bound to go postal.

You live in a small corner of the desert.

Actually, it’s 3 stories on 3 acres, with 3 horses, 3 nice green pastures, a beautiful lawn, and pretty flowers outside my window. Other than that, it’s hellish.

You live is a nothing town.

Agreed. Totally. See above. Stay away from Cedar City, UT. All of you. It’s bad, bad, bad.

This is your thing. You're going to see this through until you die. And then the Great Big World is going to keep spinning around without you.

What is my “thing”? Making fun of Mormon apostates on the internet? It’s all right, as far as diversions go. But I actually prefer playing the guitar, creating music with my girls, and riding my big colt, at a full gallop, up a certain hill out by the Parowan Gap.

As for the world spinning around without me, well … I’m resigned to my relative insignificance in the bigger scheme of things. One glance at the deep field view from the Hubble was enough to do that. (See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Deep_Field )
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beastlie:

If the majority of believers dislike this aggressive, combative behavior, why do they allow it?? The answer is that they don't dislike this aggressive, combative behavior even if they can't bring themselves to engage in it, personally.

It’s no wonder you couldn’t hack it as a Latter-day Saint. You have absolutely no clue about us, what makes us tick, what arouses us, what angers us, what saddens us. You just don’t get it and you never have. Oh, you think you understand – you and all your self-assured partners in crime here in the GSTP. But when we see the things you say, we just laugh at you because it’s so evident that you never “got it” at all.

[_Chap]

Schryver's drunk tonight, I guess ...

And guess what? The Book of Abraham is still an obvious crock to anyone who reads it without a skinful.

[_William Schryver]

Schryver's drunk tonight, I guess ...

And guess what? The Book of Abraham is still an obvious crock to anyone who reads it without a skinful.

Is it night already?

Did I miss happy hour?

crap!!!

That means I'll have to pay full price. Again.
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Oh, and guess what? I'll see your Book of Abraham crack and raise you two burning apostates in hell.

[_Doctor Steuss]

antishock8:

Well, from what I can see on the Internet, Bill coaches baseball.

???

Bill who?

[_William Schryver]

OK, I'm gonna come clean on this, once and for all:

[_beastie]

It’s no wonder you couldn’t hack it as a Latter-day Saint. You have absolutely no clue about us, what makes us tick, what arouses us, what angers us, what saddens us. You just don’t get it and you never have. Oh, you think you understand – you and all your self-assured partners in crime here in the GSTP. But when we see the things you say, we just laugh at you because it’s so evident that you never “got it” at all.

It is true that I was a convert at 19, so I escaped being raised LDS, a fact for which I am quite grateful. So likely there are parts of LDS culture that I never "got" at all, especially the sense of entitlement.

But aside from whether or not I "got it", I certainly got this situation - you are aggressive, combative, and rude, and claim to have LDS fans. So where have I gone astray?