This made me laugh. At a recent talk to new MP's at the MTC, BKP related the following:
President Packer, President of the Quorum of the Twelve, recalled a time years ago when he met a young, disrespectful missionary. The young man had been referred by the Missionary Training Center to President Packer as a member of the Church's Missionary Committee to determine if he should be sent home from his mission. The young man was a smart aleck and impudent and rude, President Packer thought. He took the young man to lunch. "There could only be one verdict," President Packer said. "This young man could not go on a mission." As the pair returned to the Church Office Building, they saw the Missionary Training Center director waiting for them at the top of the stairs. "I thought, 'When we get up to the top I will have to send him home,' but I thought, 'I can't do that.' About half way up the steps I took hold of this young man and pulled him around so I was looking him right in the eyes. I said, 'You have been disrespectful and impudent and don't deserve much. But there is one thing you have got to know.' "Then I bore my testimony to him, clear and pure testimony. "Then I said, 'Now, don't you ever say you don't know or that you haven't been told, because you have been told. I will bear testimony against you at the judgment seat of Christ that you were told.' "I have never done anything like that before or since." When President Packer and the missionary got to the top of the stairs, President Packer simply said, "Take him back and try again." Some months later President Packer heard a report of President Marion G. Romney's weekend visit to Mexico, where he met a missionary who embodied all that is ideal in a missionary. To President Packer's great surprise, it was the missionary he had sent back to the Missionary Training Center.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Rollo Tomasi wrote:This made me laugh. At a recent talk to new MP's at the MTC, BKP related the following:
President Packer, President of the Quorum of the Twelve, recalled a time years ago when he met a young, disrespectful missionary. The young man had been referred by the Missionary Training Center to President Packer as a member of the Church's Missionary Committee to determine if he should be sent home from his mission. The young man was a smart aleck and impudent and rude, President Packer thought. He took the young man to lunch. "There could only be one verdict," President Packer said. "This young man could not go on a mission." As the pair returned to the Church Office Building, they saw the Missionary Training Center director waiting for them at the top of the stairs. "I thought, 'When we get up to the top I will have to send him home,' but I thought, 'I can't do that.' About half way up the steps I took hold of this young man and pulled him around so I was looking him right in the eyes. I said, 'You have been disrespectful and impudent and don't deserve much. But there is one thing you have got to know.' "Then I bore my testimony to him, clear and pure testimony. "Then I said, 'Now, don't you ever say you don't know or that you haven't been told, because you have been told. I will bear testimony against you at the judgment seat of Christ that you were told.' "I have never done anything like that before or since." When President Packer and the missionary got to the top of the stairs, President Packer simply said, "Take him back and try again." Some months later President Packer heard a report of President Marion G. Romney's weekend visit to Mexico, where he met a missionary who embodied all that is ideal in a missionary. To President Packer's great surprise, it was the missionary he had sent back to the Missionary Training Center.
Boyd KKK Packer is a jerk. Way to use your power to intimidate and manipulate, a**hole.
I'd love to see some full of himself Church authority figure try that crap on someone who's not intimidated by his a-holiness.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
Good for him, I have some companions I wish he'd done something similar to. Maybe they would have actually done what they came to do, maybe they would have gone home. Either would have been a plus.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:Good for him, I have some companions I wish he'd done something similar to. Maybe they would have actually done what they came to do, maybe they would have gone home. Either would have been a plus.
Perhaps it's just me, but BKP's reaction seemed a bit 'over the top.'
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Thanks Rollo. I wonder if BKP spoke to his audience about Jesus of Nazareth? The perils of riches? Charity trumping prophecy? Instant forgiveness? Seems his testimony has more to do with J.S. than with J.C... Warm regards, Roger
Roger Morrison wrote:Thanks Rollo. I wonder if BKP spoke to his audience about Jesus of Nazareth? The perils of riches? Charity trumping prophecy? Instant forgiveness? Seems his testimony has more to do with J.S. than with J.C... Warm regards, Roger
Woe unto ye, Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites, a generation of vipers shall not escape the damnation of hell.
Not sure, I think Jesus was a little more harsh.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Roger Morrison wrote:Thanks Rollo. I wonder if BKP spoke to his audience about Jesus of Nazareth? The perils of riches? Charity trumping prophecy? Instant forgiveness? Seems his testimony has more to do with J.S. than with J.C... Warm regards, Roger
Woe unto ye, Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites, a generation of vipers shall not escape the damnation of hell.
Not sure, I think Jesus was a little more harsh.
Sure, but Jesus was dealing with grown-up local leaders. In contrast, BKP was dealing with an immature teenager, and BKP acted like the stupid kid was a son of perdition.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Roger Morrison wrote:Thanks Rollo. I wonder if BKP spoke to his audience about Jesus of Nazareth? The perils of riches? Charity trumping prophecy? Instant forgiveness? Seems his testimony has more to do with J.S. than with J.C... Warm regards, Roger
Woe unto ye, Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites, a generation of vipers shall not escape the damnation of hell.
Not sure, I think Jesus was a little more harsh.
You (and BKP) equate a smartaleck with a viper deserving the damnation of hell? And you don't see what's wrong with that?
harmony wrote:You (and BKP) equate a smartaleck with a viper deserving the damnation of hell? And you don't see what's wrong with that?
Nope, the kid showed up at the MTC wanting to be a Missionary. Act like it or get out.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo