Double Standard--Question for Will, et. al. from MAD

[_beastie]

This is the kind of welcoming, respectful discourse that is attracting believers here in droves. I predict a bright future for serious discussion here.

In contrast, Will's respectful discourse is one we should all aspire to.

[_cksalmon]

This coming from a grown man who believes in magic underwear and handshakes..
You have no cred..

This is the kind of welcoming, respectful discourse that is attracting believers here in droves. I predict a bright future for serious discussion here.

We all know that you're really just a dorky-looking fat man who used to be a dorky-looking kid who wished he could hang with the cool people in high school, but was too freaking geeky to even get a date until he was eighteen-years-old. You aspire to cool, but you don't even know what it means. Cool is tossing fish food in a piranha tank and then smacking the little bastards with your fist when they rise to the bait.

And of course you'd regard my most recent work as "increasingly obnoxious." After all, you've never been averse to taking your place right in the middle of the circle, heartily pounding out an approving beat [this presumably referring to the act of stroking one's glans during a masturbatory act] for each and every orgiastic excess. You belong here.

This is the kind of tawdry, base ridiculousness that makes defenders of the purported "Restored Gospel" of Jesus Christ look utterly and profanely ridiculous, given that (per LDS Will), his LDS wife, his LDS stake president, and certain LDS associates of, yes, FARMS love this stuff.

[_Daniel Peterson]

This is the kind of tawdry, base ridiculousness that makes defenders of the purported "Restored Gospel" of Jesus Christ look utterly and profanely ridiculous, given that (per LDS Will), his LDS wife, his LDS stake president, and certain LDS associates of, yes, FARMS love this stuff.

If, having surveyed the writings and speeches of a representative sample of defenders of the faith (e.g., Louis Midgley, Brant Gardner, yours truly, William Hamblin, David Paulsen, Davis Bitton, Matthew Roper, John Welch, Blake Ostler, etc.), you find that tawdry, base ridiculousness and crude sexual metaphors are typical of them, or even publicly approved by them -- if, say, FARMS and FAIR provide a receptive venue for such discourse in the manner in which this board is receptive to the discourse of boaz & lidia, infymus, TAK, Mercury, Chap, poor antishock8, Some Schmo, Polygamy Porter, and the like -- you'll have a secure basis for your generalization.

[_Jason Bourne]

We all know that you're really just a dorky-looking fat man who used to be a dorky-looking kid who wished he could hang with the cool people in high school, but was too freaking geeky to even get a date until he was eighteen-years-old. You aspire to cool, but you don't even know what it means. Cool is tossing fish food in a piranha tank and then smacking the little bastards with your fist when they rise to the bait.

And of course you'd regard my most recent work as "increasingly obnoxious." After all, you've never been averse to taking your place right in the middle of the circle, heartily pounding out an approving beat for each and every orgiastic excess. You belong here.

Wow. I recommend you read Elder Ballard's recent Ensign article. Read it three more times if you have already read it.

[_Jason Bourne]

This is the kind of tawdry, base ridiculousness that makes defenders of the purported "Restored Gospel" of Jesus Christ look utterly and profanely ridiculous, given that (per LDS Will), his LDS wife, his LDS stake president, and certain LDS associates of, yes, FARMS love this stuff.

If, having surveyed the writings and speeches of a representative sample of defenders of the faith (e.g., Louis Midgley, Brant Gardner, yours truly, William Hamblin, David Paulsen, Davis Bitton, Matthew Roper, John Welch, Blake Ostler, etc.), you find that tawdry, base ridiculousness and crude sexual metaphors are typical of them, or even publicly approved by them -- if, say, FARMS and FAIR provide a receptive venue for such discourse in the manner in which this board is receptive to the discourse of boaz & lidia, infymus, TAK, Mercury, Chap, poor antishock8, Some Schmo, Polygamy Porter, and the like -- you'll have a secure basis for your generalization.

Certainly Will is not representative of most apologists I have run into. But he is as extreme as some you mention above. Right or wrong those who claim to be devoted LDS like Will does will look really bad and give others a bad name when they act like he is acting here. You should call him on it.

[_William Schryver]

This is the kind of tawdry, base ridiculousness that makes defenders of the purported "Restored Gospel" of Jesus Christ look utterly and profanely ridiculous, given that (per LDS Will), his LDS wife, his LDS stake president, and certain LDS associates of, yes, FARMS love this stuff.

If, having surveyed the writings and speeches of a representative sample of defenders of the faith (e.g., Louis Midgley, Brant Gardner, yours truly, William Hamblin, David Paulsen, Davis Bitton, Matthew Roper, John Welch, Blake Ostler, etc.), you find that tawdry, base ridiculousness and crude sexual metaphors are typical of them, or even publicly approved by them -- if, say, FARMS and FAIR provide a receptive venue for such discourse in the manner in which this board is receptive to the discourse of boaz & lidia, infymus, TAK, Mercury, Chap, poor antishock8, Some Schmo, Polygamy Porter, and the like -- you'll have a secure basis for your generalization.

Certainly Will is not representative of most apologists I have run into. But he is as extreme as some you mention above. Right or wrong those who claim to be devoted LDS like Will does will look really bad and give others a bad name when they act like he is acting here. You should call him on it.

You have been influenced by shameless and cowardly liars.

Please quote from my outrages, or refrain from suggesting that I am guilty of such things.

[_Tarski]

This coming from a grown man who believes in magic underwear and handshakes..
You have no cred..

This is the kind of welcoming, respectful discourse that is attracting believers here in droves. I predict a bright future for serious discussion here.

Have you been paying attention? Are you here to defend Will's lavish use of reproductive bodily fluid drenched imagery and misogynistic personal attacks?
Have you been cheering silently in the background or not? Enemy of my enemy and all that?


He shows up here labeling this board (on which you have the highest tenure) a metaphorical trailer park full of low lifes and then ironically proceeds to single handedly move the whole tone in that direction. He reminds me of a self appointed danite god-warrior-"Dog the Bounty Hunter" who wallows in the lowest forms of banter and then tries to counteract himself by peppering in ten dollar words from his latest vocabulary list.

I sense an inner struggle.

[_Runtu]

You have been influenced by shameless and cowardly liars.

Now you're plagiarizing rcrocket. Have you no shame?

Please quote from my outrages, or refrain from suggesting that I am guilty of such things.

I'm not sure you've graduated to the level of "outrages." Petulance, yes. Vulgarity, yes. Inanity, yes.

[_beastie]

Just want to quote this for emphasis:

He shows up here labeling this board (on which you have the highest tenure) a metaphorical trailer park full of low lifes and then ironically proceeds to single handedly move the whole tone in that direction. He reminds me of a self appointed danite god-warrior-"Dog the Bounty Hunter" who wallows in the lowest forms of banter and then tries to counteract himself by peppering in ten dollar words from his latest vocabulary list.

I sense an inner struggle.

That just about sums up the situation.

[_Runtu]

Just want to quote this for emphasis:

He shows up here labeling this board (on which you have the highest tenure) a metaphorical trailer park full of low lifes and then ironically proceeds to single handedly move the whole tone in that direction. He reminds me of a self appointed danite god-warrior-"Dog the Bounty Hunter" who wallows in the lowest forms of banter and then tries to counteract himself by peppering in ten dollar words from his latest vocabulary list.

I sense an inner struggle.

That just about sums up the situation.

Except Dog the Bounty Hunter has better hair. :)