TAK wrote:So you think that if God re-instated polygamy it would not "stop missionary work or embarass the church's image of an all-american family" ??
That's not what I said. I said that's not the reason the church won't reinstitute it. The reason the church won't reinstitute it is because God has commanded us not to do it.
The days of changing things just for the fun of it are long past. The church would have to face financial ruin (like it did when the moritorium on polygamy was placed) before the Mormon god would back down again.
"Sire, I had no need of that hypothesis" - Laplace
TAK wrote:So you think that if God re-instated polygamy it would not "stop missionary work or embarass the church's image of an all-american family" ??
That's not what I said. I said that's not the reason the church won't reinstitute it. The reason the church won't reinstitute it is because God has commanded us not to do it.
Perhaps but I don't believe God ever commanded it.
TAK wrote:So you think that if God re-instated polygamy it would not "stop missionary work or embarass the church's image of an all-american family" ??
That's not what I said. I said that's not the reason the church won't reinstitute it. The reason the church won't reinstitute it is because God has commanded us not to do it.
That's precisely why LDS Inc. would not reinstate it. God never commanded it before, and he won't command it again. It's amazing, sad, and pitiful all at the same time that so many peoples' lives have been so profoundly affected solely because one horny man so many years ago wanted a convenient justification to fool around on his wife.
Unlike Joseph Smith, currently LDS leadership appears content to limit sexual relations to their wives (not that Tommy Boy is necessarily doing the nasty anymore), so I doubt that God is going to repeal the ban on polygamy any time soon.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
TAK wrote:So you think that if God re-instated polygamy it would not "stop missionary work or embarass the church's image of an all-american family" ??
That's not what I said. I said that's not the reason the church won't reinstitute it. The reason the church won't reinstitute it is because God has commanded us not to do it.
Hang on, is that correct? as I understand it and was taught it as a teenager, polygamy is still doctrinal but can't be practised due to 'the law of the land'. And not practised world-wide for correlation purposes.
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...Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I heareby declare my intention to submit to those laws, to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise. "... And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land. WILFORD WOODRUFF, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Now if polygamy were legal in the U.S. wouldn't the church would need a revelation to prevent members from practising polygamy? or they would be going against doctrine would they not?
TAK wrote:So you think that if God re-instated polygamy it would not "stop missionary work or embarass the church's image of an all-american family" ??
That's not what I said. I said that's not the reason the church won't reinstitute it. The reason the church won't reinstitute it is because God has commanded us not to do it.
Hang on, is that correct? as I understand it and was taught it as a teenager, polygamy is still doctrinal but can't be practised due to 'the law of the land'. And not practised world-wide for correlation purposes.
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...Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I heareby declare my intention to submit to those laws, to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise. "... And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land. WILFORD WOODRUFF, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Now if polygamy were legal in the U.S. wouldn't the church would need a revelation to prevent members from practising polygamy? or they would be going against doctrine would they not?
Well, the church is in other countries where polygamy is legal, yet they don't practice it there. So my guess is, no, it's nothing to do with the law of the land.
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo
mms wrote:Shouldn't we long for the right to practice such a high and righteous form of marriage?
Are you saying you do?
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
Jason Bourne wrote:Not going to happen. The Church is not going to bring back polygamy even if it becomes legal. It would put the church too much outside the social norm and destroy the all American family values the Church preaches and teaches and has of years and years. Missionary work would grind to a halt for the most part and the Church would become more strange to people than some of you here think it already is to outsiders.
This is true. There are very practical reasons why a man-made, business-sense directed church would never in a million years try and bring back polygamy.
And if asked why since it is legal the Church does not restore polygamy the answer will be God commanded it then but he does not command it now. Till he does we do not do it.
"God says so" and "God doesn't say so" aren't very comforting to people who believe God directs the Church. In fact, God saying so is exactly what they are afraid of! How ironic. Polygamy happened once -- it could happen again. This is why the suggestion is frightening and elicits emotional defenses from believers. In contrast, people who go through the motions but don't really have a testimony (maybe like you, maybe like Abman) have little to fear: a church directed by business-sense (as opposed to divine fiat) would never in a million years bring back polygamy.
"And yet another little spot is smoothed out of the echo chamber wall..." Bond
mms wrote:Shouldn't we long for the right to practice such a high and righteous form of marriage?
Are you saying you do?
Promise not to tell my wife? :)
(sigh)
One of the sad legacies of the LDS church.
I feel sorry for the wives of men who long for the day. The perverted and degrading teaching of polygyny taught by the LDS has church has done a disservice to marriages and families.
:-(
~dancer~
"The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live." Nisargadatta Maharaj
rcrocket wrote:I think a hypothetical attack which mocks the Church is no better than a straw man argument. Wouldn't you agree?
Why haven't you resigned from the Church?
Sweet! Nothing like messing with the sheep. It has been too long since I have experienced the joy of witnessing the look of fear an unwitting Mormon face after I wack them with the logic stick.
Bob, I have not resigned because it would blow my cover to the local members. As long as I am still on the roles they will trust me.
*cue evil insidious loud and boisterous laughter*
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