Why I am not a Mormon

[Guest]

An observation:

None of you on this thread know the actual GoodK family or the actual GoodK family history except GoodK and GoodK's dad -- and, to a much lesser extent (but to a significantly greater extent than is anybody else's business here), me.

After all the angry denunciations of my allegedly malicious "butting into" this family's intimate relationships, I see a great deal of minimally informed but hyperjudgmental and even gleeful butting into this family's intimate relationships.

Well said. I for one eagerly await the return of Scratch so he can compile this into a thread filled with horrid outrage about how EVEN HE didn't think DCP could go this far. I suspect it will be an entertaining read. Where is he anyway? His little birdies need to get on the ball here.

[_mentalgymnast]

And think of all the bystanders who have been put off the CoJCoLDS for life by reading this thread.

Or not. You can't know either way. Afterall, you're looking at all this from your vantage point and others are looking at it from theirs.

Regards,
MG

[_Chap]

And think of all the bystanders who have been put off the CoJCoLDS for life by reading this thread.

Or not. You can't know either way. Afterall, you're looking at all this from your vantage point and others are looking at it from theirs.

Regards,
MG

Oh, based on living in this world, mostly among non-LDS, for quite a while, I think I have a blessed assurance of the way the majority of uncommitted readers will be feeling. But you take it any way that makes you feel good about it.

[_marg]

An observation:

None of you on this thread know the actual GoodK family or the actual GoodK family history except GoodK and GoodK's dad -- and, to a much lesser extent (but to a significantly greater extent than is anybody else's business here), me.

After all the angry denunciations of my allegedly malicious "butting into" this family's intimate relationships, I see a great deal of minimally informed but hyperjudgmental and even gleeful butting into this family's intimate relationships.

I do happen to know something and if I revealed in on here would put GoodK's dad in a worse light, which I'm not prepared to do.

[_beastie]

None of you on this thread know the actual GoodK family or the actual GoodK family history except GoodK and GoodK's dad -- and, to a much lesser extent (but to a significantly greater extent than is anybody else's business here), me.

After all the angry denunciations of my allegedly malicious "butting into" this family's intimate relationships, I see a great deal of minimally informed but hyperjudgmental and even gleeful butting into this family's intimate relationships.

Dan, people are people. No father likes being called a blowhard, and no son would like to see what GoodK's father posted about him on this board. Now perhaps they will find a way to work around this difficulty - many of us have to renegotiate relationships between believers and exbelievers within the family unit. But there is no way anyone could possibly imagine this is a good turn of events, in terms of their relationship. Moreover, I fail to see how any poster on this thread, with the exception of yourself, who could be feasibly accused of "butting into" this family's intimate relationships.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

After all the angry denunciations of my allegedly malicious "butting into" this family's intimate relationships, I see a great deal of minimally informed but hyperjudgmental and even gleeful butting into this family's intimate relationships.

Dan, whatever credibility you had here (and elsewhere) has been utterly lost by your behavior on this thread. I find it heartbreaking that an LDS bishop can so easily stomp on the feelings and relationship between a father and son for the single purpose of saving face for his incredibly moronic move that started all this. You should be ashamed. I know, you aren't and never will be, but you should ....

[_Daniel Peterson]

I do happen to know something and if I revealed in on here would put GoodK's dad in a worse light, which I'm not prepared to do.

If I had claimed something like that, it would have been good for at least twenty Beastie-posts, not to mention supporting denunciations from others and, most likely, even an antishock8 dropping or two.

The striking fact remains that virtually nobody here knows anything at all about the background or history of GoodK and his father, yet few here seem to be reluctant to issue sweeping judgments and searching analyses of their relationship.

[_Jersey Girl]

You are of course correct and I see how I was misunderstood. I meant fun as in the day to day happenings here which are funny. As I stated previously, I find this turn of events to be hilarious, not just fun.

I apologize for any confusion my post may have caused.

There is something really, really wrong with you. Out of the many troubling things you have said, this is easily the worst.

GoodK's dad, take a good look at this. You have been used to save face by your good friend Dan. You have chosen to throw your son under the bus in order to do so.

And you have provided hilarious entertainment to one of the most stalwart Mormon believers on this board.

What has been the cost, GoodK's dad?

I must concur with Jersey Girl. This has evolved into something truly tragic and difficult to stomach.

You know what, beastie? I can employ a great deal of tenacity and go nose to nose on a number issues however, while you may not see it often, I also function from a deep empathetic base. When I read Dad's letter it was as if someone kicked me in the stomach. I view the relationship between parent and child as a sacred bond and while a child is growing up, I understand and haved experienced myself the shifting that takes place as a child goes about the work of becoming independent. I understand the disappointments, the fears and the anger. But it is working through those shifts that (if we are lucky and blessed) strengthens the bond over time. That anyone lacks the wisdom to know that that is the case, is beyond me.

We don't have all the facts in this case and quite frankly, the facts aren't any of our damn business. I don't think it was Dan's place to interfere. If the kid had a needle in his arm, then I say tell it. Beyond that, I wish that out of concern for further division between GoodK and Dad, that people would let this drop. Let them do what father's and son's do in real life.

Please.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

The striking fact remains that virtually nobody here knows anything at all about the background or history of GoodK and his father, yet few here seem to be reluctant to issue sweeping judgments and searching analyses of their relationship.

Actually, most judgments and comments here have been aimed at your deplorable behavior on this thread. As for GoodK's dad, do we really need to know more history given the inexcusable words in his message to you?

[_mentalgymnast]

An observation:

None of you on this thread know the actual GoodK family or the actual GoodK family history except GoodK and GoodK's dad -- and, to a much lesser extent (but to a significantly greater extent than is anybody else's business here), me.

After all the angry denunciations of my allegedly malicious "butting into" this family's intimate relationships, I see a great deal of minimally informed but hyperjudgmental and even gleeful butting into this family's intimate relationships.

I haven't been around these parts much lately but this particular thread for some reason grabbed my interest. When all is said and done, what I'm finding extremely interesting is the way that GoodK's father has been pounced on. For the life of me, I can't even begin to see where the accusations thrown at him have any basis in truth...being that, as you say, we don't know any of the intimate family history and background (the true history) which would make any sort of valid righteous judgement possible.

To see the rapid and vapid responses to pile up on dear old dad is beyond amazing.

by the way, I'm not reading dad's response the same way that others seem to. I see a kind and caring father who has high hopes for his son and has an interest in seeing that the truth be said...inasmuch as it can be said on a public board such as this with antagonists ready and waiting in the wings to gang up and lash back, i.e. anti-shock's rabid and foul comments.

In no way is he "trashing" his son as another poster maintains.

Regards,
MG