Why I am not a Mormon

[_Daniel Peterson]

I think it is completely unethical/Christlike/decent (I don't care what a text book says), for others to get involved in a family dispute, and knowingly harm a father/son relationship.

There is no evidence of harm.

There is no evidence that I knowingly intended harm.

Is it ethical, Christlike, and/or decent to make false accusations as you've just done?

I just do not understand a father deliberately trying to hurt a child like this.

You know neither GoodK's father nor GoodK's history with his father, nor, I'm guessing, GoodK.

Do you feel qualified to deliver judgment in this matter? Do you believe yourself qualified to announce that GoodK's father seeks, deliberately, to hurt his son? If you are not, is it ethical, Christlike, and/or decent to do so?

[_Daniel Peterson]

Stop lying. Liar.

Where have I lied?

[_Rollo Tomasi]

What I have in mind, and what worries me, is that GoodK, who seemed not at all upset back in March when he learned of Unspeakably Horrible GoodK Epistle 1, has been growing increasingly shrill today, in July, roughly three months later. I don't know why, but certainly this thread isn't helping him.

You really are a tool. You, more than anyone, knows why this thread hasn't helped him. Well done, bishop.

[_GoodK]

Stop lying. Liar.

Where have I lied?

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See the full post, where I called you a liar.

You suggested that I wasn't mad at you when we spoke in March, and I knew that you had forwarded that letter to my Dad. That, Professor, is a lie.

Not a mistake. A lie. An untruth. With the intent of suggesting I was ok with you rubbing my post in my dad's nose at one point, and I only now have a problem with it.

[_truth dancer]

Do you feel qualified to deliver judgment in this matter?

I said I do not understand it. I don't. I can't fathom it.

Do you believe yourself qualified to announce that GoodK's father seeks, deliberately, to hurt his son?

His email is nothing but hurtful. Nothing.

I can't imagine a parent writing such a thing. I truly can't.

~dancer~

[_GoodK]

Best wishes in your relationship with your father. I think too much has been made public at this juncture and that you ought to consider working things out privately with your dad. Putting out perceived dirty laundry and/or family issues into the public domain and expecting things to move in a positive direction may be unrealistic.

Ironic, eh? Dan, did you read this? From one of your three supporters (not even Nehor, either!).

On a lighter note, Shades, are you ready to pay me yet?

Nearly 4,000 views since Monday. That has to count for something. I at least deserve that blue shirt you gave Nehor.

[_beastie]

There is no evidence of harm.

You are living a fantasy.

by the way, I want to remind folks that GoodK has, in the past, spoken kindly in regards to not only his father, but crocket and dan. He has tried to help other posters keep some perspective about the characters and nature of these men.

In retrospect, perhaps he was too generous (exempting bob, who has not participated herein).

I also believe that this incident helps demonstrate the fact that Mormons often have issues with personal boundaries.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

There is no evidence of harm.

Have you not read GoodK's posts in this thread?

There is no evidence that I knowingly intended harm.

BS.

Is it ethical, Christlike, and/or decent to make false accusations as you've just done?

Still trying to create a smokescreen for your monumental screw-up?

Do you feel qualified to deliver judgment in this matter?

Apparently you did.

Do you believe yourself qualified to announce that GoodK's father seeks, deliberately, to hurt his son? If you are not, is it ethical, Christlike, and/or decent to do so?

Again, more deflection from your own behavior. Well done, bishop.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Remember, 13 pages or so back a comment I made to Marg which apparently roped you in:

Breaking away from Mormonism is harder than it should be. Look at me. I can't post annonymously here without having a Professor at BYU tattling on me, and then trying to justify it as if he had some moral obligation to do so

I considered posting under another identity because the professor of Islamic Studies and Arabic in the Department of Asian and Near Eastern Languages at a prestigious University figured out my personal identity. Need I say more?

That's the one.

I haven't escalated my claim here. I came under attack as unethical. I've defended myself.

By shifting all guilt to me.

What "guilt" have I shifted to you?

I've never made any secret of the fact that I think your reference to your father was mocking and unfortunate -- and, obviously, if you had merely observed that the sky is blue or that 2+2=4 I would have had no reason to pay any particular attention to your post -- but, beyond that, how have I tried to shift any "guilt" to you?

I did what I did. I see no ethical problem in it at all. I don't feel guilty about it, and am aware of no "guilt" that needs to be "shifted" to anybody.

[_EAllusion]

6. Finally, the purpose of this thread, which he titled "Why I am not a Mormon" is a farce. By that I mean that his reasons are a smoke-screen. They are an excuse. I won't confess his sins in public, but at the risk of stating the obvious, let's just say that if he loved God more than the things of the world he would be a very strong Latter-day Saint. As it is, the "world" has his attention at this time. I hope he will, in time, realize the path he is on has only brought him much pain, much sorrow, and much deprivation. God is at the helm and God will not be mocked. Eventually every knee shall bow before Christ and every tongue will confess His Messiahship. And that includes my son and every self-professed atheist on this list. When he finally gets tired of sin, I think he will make the right decisions, repent, and return. And we will welcome him with open arms. And you and he will probably look back on this thread and have a good laugh together.

So this self-professed Mormon is a blowhard. Go figure.