The Nehor wrote:I think our society's views on sex have gotten very messed up. Some suggest that if we'd just talk about it more frankly and give it some air the mess will sort itself out. We've given it a lot of air. It hasn't sorted itself out. I don't think more air is the cure.
Sort what mess out? Why are you being so cryptic?
I don't think I'm being cryptic. I'm talking about the mess that is sexual relations. We've dumped it out in the open and it's gotten worse. According to what I've read and seen people are sexually messed up. Prostitution, easy-access pornography, easy sexual liasons are not leading to stable family units (shown to be a huge indicator of the success of the children) and not even to emotionally satisfying sex. If you want to see a sideshow of horror regarding sex type in a sexual term into your local craigslist personals to find out what kind of messed-up desires and expectations people have. If you have a really strong stomach, search in the man searching for man section.
I don't have a strong stomach and I think I shall not take a peek... Why are you familiar with it? :O
Yet, why would you base a subset of behavior on the net as being indicative of the wider culture? I read a study on sex not too long ago (and posted it on the board) about the average sex lives of Americans and we're all pretty tame for the most part.
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Riiight, it advices them to get married in their early 20's... and they can't have sex outside of marriage so they rush into holy matrimony so they can do the deed.
You see. This is the kind of banal, witless cynicism about really serious things that Mormons take very, very seriously, that makes me feel...abrasive.
What blithering nonsense. To Moniker the entire focus of human male/female relations is sex. We here in Zion know much better than that.
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Moniker wrote:You are in a Church that pushes people to get married and be a life partner with someone so they can precisely have sex! That's romantic?
No, it advises people to get married so they can find the love only marriage brings and raise a family together.
Riiight, it advices them to get married in their early 20's... and they can't have sex outside of marriage so they rush into holy matrimony so they can do the deed.
The early 20's is actually late to get married. Most societies have encouraged marriage in the mid-teens. If I wanted to rush into holy matrimony simply to have sex I would have been married years ago.
Are you talking about societies where life expectancy is low? Doesn't it make sense to start to reproduce if you're not going to live very long? Eh?
Nehor, you really think it's wise for couples to get married when they're really, really young adults?
Riiight, it advices them to get married in their early 20's... and they can't have sex outside of marriage so they rush into holy matrimony so they can do the deed.
You see. This is the kind of banal, witless cynicism about really serious things that Mormons take very, very seriously, that makes me feel...abrasive.
What blithering nonsense. To Moniker the entire focus of human male/female relations is sex. We here in Zion know much better than that.
Okay, then Droopy, explain why there is a push for young adults to get married in the Church? Before finishing college? Before getting a career started? Before becoming financially stable? Why is there a push for these young men and women to tie the knot? And why do they jump at the chance to do it?
Riiight, it advices them to get married in their early 20's... and they can't have sex outside of marriage so they rush into holy matrimony so they can do the deed.
You see. This is the kind of banal, witless cynicism about really serious things that Mormons take very, very seriously, that makes me feel...abrasive.
What blithering nonsense. To Moniker the entire focus of human male/female relations is sex. We here in Zion know much better than that.
Okay, then Droopy, explain why there is a push for young adults to get married in the Church? Before finishing college? Before getting a career started? Before becoming financially stable? Why is there a push for these young men and women to tie the knot? And why do they jump at the chance to do it?
I know this wasn't addressed to me but I've been told and believe that struggling through the broke years of college and the beginnings of careers actually makes the relationship stronger as you come to rely on each other and face the world together when it's at it's hardest.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Riiight, it advices them to get married in their early 20's... and they can't have sex outside of marriage so they rush into holy matrimony so they can do the deed.
You see. This is the kind of banal, witless cynicism about really serious things that Mormons take very, very seriously, that makes me feel...abrasive.
What blithering nonsense. To Moniker the entire focus of human male/female relations is sex. We here in Zion know much better than that.
Okay, then Droopy, explain why there is a push for young adults to get married in the Church? Before finishing college? Before getting a career started? Before becoming financially stable? Why is there a push for these young men and women to tie the knot? And why do they jump at the chance to do it?
I know this wasn't addressed to me but I've been told and believe that struggling through the broke years of college and the beginnings of careers actually makes the relationship stronger as you come to rely on each other and face the world together when it's at it's hardest.
Well, with an earlier reply you talked about the good of children. It's wise for children to come into a family that struggles with finances, career, school, etc.... ????????
Moniker wrote:Are you talking about societies where life expectancy is low? Doesn't it make sense to start to reproduce if you're not going to live very long? Eh?
Nehor, you really think it's wise for couples to get married when they're really, really young adults?
I think workable relationships can develop in teen years and in the early twenties. I think in many ways this is the ideal time to get married. In western culture the teen years have largely been ruined though as we force kids to not grow up by shoving them into school systems that function as public day care when they should be in University level classes or learning something useful so they can contribute to society.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Moniker wrote:Well, with an earlier reply you talked about the good of children. It's wise for children to come into a family that struggles with finances, career, school, etc.... ????????
Yep.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Moniker wrote:Are you talking about societies where life expectancy is low? Doesn't it make sense to start to reproduce if you're not going to live very long? Eh?
Nehor, you really think it's wise for couples to get married when they're really, really young adults?
I think workable relationships can develop in teen years and in the early twenties. I think in many ways this is the ideal time to get married. In western culture the teen years have largely been ruined though as we force kids to not grow up by shoving them into school systems that function as public day care when they should be in University level classes or learning something useful so they can contribute to society.
Explain why the teen years and early twenties are an ideal time to get married. The school issue is going off-topic.
Moniker wrote:Well, with an earlier reply you talked about the good of children. It's wise for children to come into a family that struggles with finances, career, school, etc.... ????????