Pg. 51: You can see the majority of marriages in the state (residents of Utah) are officiated by LDS. Year 1999:
12987are LDS. Catholic 182. Jewish 3. Protestant 1879. And other religion 28.
Pg 50: Bride 2nd marriages after divorce: 48 Catholic. 2 Jewish. 2494 LDS. 715 Protestant. 22 other religion.
Groom 2nd marriages after divorce: 47 Catholic. 0 Jewish. 2557 LDS. 720 Protestant. 9 other religion.
If the majority of people marrying in Utah are LDS it doesn't follow that the minuscule number out of the other religions are the only ones getting divorced.
7% for LDS married in the Temple, or perhaps in the teens. Ultra low relative to the surrounding culture.
Moniker wrote:I think it is terrible advice to tell young men and women to get married and start having kids. Matter of fact I think this is why lots of those that grew up in the Church, when they leave, sort of act like teenagers -- they didn't get to sow their wild oats, didn't get to do the partying, etc... and get it out of their system so they go a bit wild in their 30's and 40's. Young people should be allowed to be young people and not stuck into a role that they're not mentally prepared for, imho.
How in the world did society get along without the notion that you should party it up in your 20's?
Seems like this is a VERY new concept, like in the past 40 years or so. One that I don't particularly agree with. There is nothing wrong with becoming a responsible member of society in your 20's. Unfortunately, even with advanced contraception, pregnancies happen...often. Do you think it's better to knock a girl up in a one night stand?
Society needs MORE responsibility from our young people, not less.
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo
Moniker wrote:I think it is terrible advice to tell young men and women to get married and start having kids. Matter of fact I think this is why lots of those that grew up in the Church, when they leave, sort of act like teenagers -- they didn't get to sow their wild oats, didn't get to do the partying, etc... and get it out of their system so they go a bit wild in their 30's and 40's. Young people should be allowed to be young people and not stuck into a role that they're not mentally prepared for, imho.
How in the world did society get along without the notion that you should party it up in your 20's?
Seems like this is a VERY new concept, like in the past 40 years or so. One that I don't particularly agree with. There is nothing wrong with becoming a responsible member of society in your 20's. Unfortunately, even with advanced contraception, pregnancies happen...often. Do you think it's better to knock a girl up in a one night stand?
Society needs MORE responsibility from our young people, not less.
I think there is NOTHING wrong with someone being in their 20's and having a boyfriend and girlfriend and not wanting to settle down and get married. There is nothing irresponsible about having sex responsibly and doing so as an adult! There is nothing irresponsible about being a legal adult and doing adult things. There's nothing wrong with drinking responsibly when you're of a legal age.
My parents were born in the 40's and they wooped it up before they got married in their late 20's. Hell, they continued to party after they got married -- I have some great pics of my mom in some wild wigs, gogo boots, and a bikini on. :)
My paternal grandmother was a model, and my paternal grandfather a dashing gentleman and you better believe they partied it up! They lived in New York and she (sitting about at 90 in her sparkly tops, and velvet pants:) would tell me about her adventures.
There's nothing wrong with having a good time. Seriously.
Moniker wrote:I think it is terrible advice to tell young men and women to get married and start having kids. Matter of fact I think this is why lots of those that grew up in the Church, when they leave, sort of act like teenagers -- they didn't get to sow their wild oats, didn't get to do the partying, etc... and get it out of their system so they go a bit wild in their 30's and 40's. Young people should be allowed to be young people and not stuck into a role that they're not mentally prepared for, imho.
How in the world did society get along without the notion that you should party it up in your 20's?
Seems like this is a VERY new concept, like in the past 40 years or so. One that I don't particularly agree with. There is nothing wrong with becoming a responsible member of society in your 20's. Unfortunately, even with advanced contraception, pregnancies happen...often. Do you think it's better to knock a girl up in a one night stand?
Society needs MORE responsibility from our young people, not less.
I think there is NOTHING wrong with someone being in their 20's and having a boyfriend and girlfriend and not wanting to settle down and get married. There is nothing irresponsible about having sex responsibly and doing so as an adult! There is nothing irresponsible about being a legal adult and doing adult things. There's nothing wrong with drinking responsibly when you're of a legal age.
My parents were born in the 40's and they wooped it up before they got married in their late 20's. Hell, they continued to party after they got married -- I have some great pics of my mom in some wild wigs, gogo boots, and a bikini on. :)
My paternal grandmother was a model, and my paternal grandfather a dashing gentleman and you better believe they partied it up! They lived in New York and she (sitting about at 90 in her sparkly tops, and velvet pants:) would tell me about her adventures.
There's nothing wrong with having a good time. Seriously.
I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with having a good time. If you are in your 20's, and feel like you want to experience life, go for it! Just do it responsibly.
However, you seem to think that sowing your oats is a requirement, and if you don't you will feel repressed for the rest of your life. Some people just aren't oat sowers and prefer to get married in their 20's. They would rather have companionship and start a family. The party scene doesn't really appeal to them.
I could be wrong, but it seems that you pity these individuals, and feel almost certain that at some point in their adult life they will reap what they failed to sow. I don't agree with this assessment.
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo
Scottie wrote:I don't think that family hardships are a bad thing for kids, unless it causes the parents to fight excessively. Money does not make a happy family.
I also think that we live in a VERY "me" based society. If people were more concerned about their partner and less concerned about themselves, then yes, I believe a couple can grow closer as they age, not apart.
I'm not sure that we don't change every decade or so. As I'm only 35, I can only say that I am quite a different person now than I was in my mid 20's. Can some of you that have lived a few decades speak to this? Are you a different person at 20 than you are at 30, and are you different at 40 than you were at 30, etc?
Money makes life easier. It just does. It doesn't make one happy, necessarily, yet, poverty is not a happiness maker either for the most part.
I think it is terrible advice to tell young men and women to get married and start having kids. Matter of fact I think this is why lots of those that grew up in the Church, when they leave, sort of act like teenagers -- they didn't get to sow their wild oats, didn't get to do the partying, etc... and get it out of their system so they go a bit wild in their 30's and 40's. Young people should be allowed to be young people and not stuck into a role that they're not mentally prepared for, imho.
I'm a COMPLETELY different person now than I was in my 20's.
I've seen wealth cause a lot of divorces as well.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Moniker wrote:I think it is terrible advice to tell young men and women to get married and start having kids. Matter of fact I think this is why lots of those that grew up in the Church, when they leave, sort of act like teenagers -- they didn't get to sow their wild oats, didn't get to do the partying, etc... and get it out of their system so they go a bit wild in their 30's and 40's. Young people should be allowed to be young people and not stuck into a role that they're not mentally prepared for, imho.
How in the world did society get along without the notion that you should party it up in your 20's?
Seems like this is a VERY new concept, like in the past 40 years or so. One that I don't particularly agree with. There is nothing wrong with becoming a responsible member of society in your 20's. Unfortunately, even with advanced contraception, pregnancies happen...often. Do you think it's better to knock a girl up in a one night stand?
Society needs MORE responsibility from our young people, not less.
I think there is NOTHING wrong with someone being in their 20's and having a boyfriend and girlfriend and not wanting to settle down and get married. There is nothing irresponsible about having sex responsibly and doing so as an adult! There is nothing irresponsible about being a legal adult and doing adult things. There's nothing wrong with drinking responsibly when you're of a legal age.
My parents were born in the 40's and they wooped it up before they got married in their late 20's. Hell, they continued to party after they got married -- I have some great pics of my mom in some wild wigs, gogo boots, and a bikini on. :)
My paternal grandmother was a model, and my paternal grandfather a dashing gentleman and you better believe they partied it up! They lived in New York and she (sitting about at 90 in her sparkly tops, and velvet pants:) would tell me about her adventures.
There's nothing wrong with having a good time. Seriously.
I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with having a good time. If you are in your 20's, and feel like you want to experience life, go for it! Just do it responsibly.
However, you seem to think that sowing your oats is a requirement, and if you don't you will feel repressed for the rest of your life. Some people just aren't oat sowers and prefer to get married in their 20's. They would rather have companionship and start a family. The party scene doesn't really appeal to them.
I could be wrong, but it seems that you pity these individuals, and feel almost certain that at some point in their adult life they will reap what they failed to sow. I don't agree with this assessment.
I have never stated that. I don't know why you always try to insinuate that I have. I see people on this website that are talking about drinking for the first time and talking about it as if they're teenagers... I understand it, yet, it's not the norm really. So, it's my observations that there are people that left the Church that do want to experience things that they think they missed out on. I don't pity people that choose to live the life they want. I don't care what they do.
I get pity or condemnation alllll the time from Mormons or ex-Mormons that apparently see me as bizarre 'cause I had a boyfriend as a teenager. I don't care that they didn't, I'm the one that is told I shouldn't probably have sex as an early 30 year old woman 'cause there are consequences (as if I'm too stupid to know this??)... etc... I gotta tell you it's a real eye opener to run into a whole group of people that think a young adult that drinks alcohol or has a boyfriend is somehow warped. That makes me question their outlook on life, yet, I don't pity them. I do wonder about them....
Scottie wrote:I agree with you. There is nothing wrong with having a good time. If you are in your 20's, and feel like you want to experience life, go for it! Just do it responsibly.
However, you seem to think that sowing your oats is a requirement, and if you don't you will feel repressed for the rest of your life. Some people just aren't oat sowers and prefer to get married in their 20's. They would rather have companionship and start a family. The party scene doesn't really appeal to them.
I could be wrong, but it seems that you pity these individuals, and feel almost certain that at some point in their adult life they will reap what they failed to sow. I don't agree with this assessment.
I have never stated that. I don't know why you always try to insinuate that I have. I see people on this website that are talking about drinking for the first time and talking about it as if they're teenagers... I understand it, yet, it's not the norm really. So, it's my observations that there are people that left the Church that do want to experience things that they think they missed out on. I don't pity people that choose to live the life they want. I don't care what they do.
I get pity or condemnation alllll the time from Mormons or ex-Mormons that apparently see me as bizarre 'cause I had a boyfriend as a teenager. I don't care that they didn't, I'm the one that is told I shouldn't probably have sex as an early 30 year old woman 'cause there are consequences (as if I'm too stupid to know this??)... etc... I gotta tell you it's a real eye opener to run into a whole group of people that think a young adult that drinks alcohol or has a boyfriend is somehow warped. That makes me question their outlook on life, yet, I don't pity them. I do wonder about them....
Fair enough. I think we are thinking the same thing, but neither of us is saying it very well. :)
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo