Daniel Peterson wrote:Sorry to have forgotten my place. Must allow the critics to have the last word.
Quite an interesting inference, Daniel. Feel free to stick in the kitchen sink.
Daniel Peterson wrote:Get yourself some supplemental oxygen.
I opted for coffee, which was much more appropriate.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
cksalmon wrote:Unfortunately, I'm really just not that funny.
Or maybe I lack the right sense of humor.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
rcrocket wrote:Maybe, but you've just accepted the purported Bushman quote without regard to its legitimacy or provenance. I consider that a far worse sin; what kind of authority do you rely upon?
How about chapter and verse for Bushman's quote -- come, on, cough it up; you're relying upon it (indirectly, through Mike Reed, and who is he? He's no authority.)
rcrocket
Read the thread crocket. The citation has already been given. I explained that that Bushman gave his opinion of the book in one of his Mormon stories podcast, and Nevo followed up with "Bushman offers his opinion of Early Mormonism and the Magic World View in part three of the series at 59:35:"
Nevo then transcribed his comments as follows: "The trouble is, his book, it doesn't really put things in balance. What it does is it just piles it higher and deeper; it gets this huge material, collects it all, and assumes that this vast quantity of lore which developed over the centuries was in the minds of everyone who ever went out and searched for buried treasure. So it kind of leads you astray at the same time as it opens up a new world to you. So I think it's a fabulous work of scholarship--ingenious I must say--but [chuckling] I mean it's really overblown in so many ways."
Richard Bushman wrote:"The trouble is, his book, it doesn't really put things in balance. What it does is it just piles it higher and deeper; it gets this huge material, collects it all, and assumes that this vast quantity of lore which developed over the centuries was in the minds of everyone who ever went out and searched for buried treasure. So it kind of leads you astray at the same time as it opens up a new world to you. So I think it's a fabulous work of scholarship--ingenious I must say--but [chuckling] I mean it's really overblown in so many ways."
He put it very well.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
No personal grudge needs to exist for you and your fellow apologists to have ensured that Quinn would not be invited to speak at the conference.
Poor little Mickey. He must be such a fragile thing. Lavina Anderson even had (don't know if its still up) a full fledge whine site up for him so that his groupies can send him money and shed tears of poignant sorrow over the terrible, horrible, awful things the Church has done to him.
Gag me with a rotohammer.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Sorry to be a little cold and prickly, but the Michael Quinn groupie worship and the near cult of personality that hs grown up around this, at his best, tertiary intellectual has become so nauseating as to be unbearable.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
What problematic relationship? The fact that he was excommunicated from the church?
Excommunicated from the Church for openly and publically attacking its legitimacy while a member? Being openly homosexual?
Yes uh...problematic...
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
rcrocket wrote:Maybe, but you've just accepted the purported Bushman quote without regard to its legitimacy or provenance. I consider that a far worse sin; what kind of authority do you rely upon?
How about chapter and verse for Bushman's quote -- come, on, cough it up; you're relying upon it (indirectly, through Mike Reed, and who is he? He's no authority.)
rcrocket
Read the thread crocket. The citation has already been given. I explained that that Bushman gave his opinion of the book in one of his Mormon stories podcast, and Nevo followed up with "Bushman offers his opinion of Early Mormonism and the Magic World View in part three of the series at 59:35:"
Nevo then transcribed his comments as follows: "The trouble is, his book, it doesn't really put things in balance. What it does is it just piles it higher and deeper; it gets this huge material, collects it all, and assumes that this vast quantity of lore which developed over the centuries was in the minds of everyone who ever went out and searched for buried treasure. So it kind of leads you astray at the same time as it opens up a new world to you. So I think it's a fabulous work of scholarship--ingenious I must say--but [chuckling] I mean it's really overblown in so many ways."
Hardly an endorsement, and certainly not the work of "genius" as you alleged in your original post. Your post:
Bushman gave his brief opinion of EM&MWV in one of his MormonStories podcasts. He noted that there are problems in it, but overall, the "book is genius" (I think were his words).
See what happens when you ask for references, dear reader. But, I guess it is all a matter of perspective.
rcrocket wrote:Hardly an endorsement, and certainly not the work of "genius" as you alleged in your original post.
And yet, he called it "a work of fabulous scholarship" and "ingenious." So, I would think we could acknowledge that this is at least a form of mixed praise, taking into account Bushman's accurate description of at least some of the book's failings.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”