Homophobes boycott McDonald's

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.
Locked
_Sethbag
_Emeritus
Posts: 6855
Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:52 am

Post by _Sethbag »

Trevor wrote:
Droopy wrote:It really doesn't matter. I can't choose the parts of which my computer is composed. I can choose where I eat my lunch. They have lost my business.


Is buying a computer with an AMD chip that difficult?


I heard some dude came onto his male shift manager at AMD fab 33 in Dresden.

Does VIA still make anything useful for a desktop machine?
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
_EAllusion
_Emeritus
Posts: 18519
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:39 pm

Post by _EAllusion »

Droopy wrote:
Presumably, you will be boycotting all of them, right? I just hope the computer you are using to post on this message board doesn't have any Intel products in it. Almost every major banking institution is on board, so you might need to do some serious reorganizing of your finances.


It really doesn't matter. I can't choose the parts of which my computer is composed. I can choose where I eat my lunch. They have lost my business.


Yes you can. But even if you couldn't, you could at least commit to not buying Intel products in the future. But hey, there's a lot, lot more there for you to boycott, including Wells Fargo, JPMorganChase, Citigroup, ING, Bank of America, Capital One, UBS, Wachovia, Coldwell Banker, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and several other major financial institutions. (http://www4.fdic.gov/SOD/sodSumReport.a ... oAsOf=2007). You won't be doing business with any of them, right? If you are currently doing business with them, you'll rectify that, right?

When you are thinking about where and what you eat for lunch, also keep in mind Burger King and Pepsico are on board. Pepsi is especially tricky, as they own a ton of stuff under different brand names. So is Sodexo. They're massive, but not a well-known brand. They provide food to schools, hospitals, military bases, and the like. Tread carefully. The homosexual agenda is everywhere.
_Moniker
_Emeritus
Posts: 4004
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:53 pm

Post by _Moniker »

Well, I just returned from buying a rather yummy looking Asian salad (mandarin oranges nummm!) and I'm about to dig in.

Just doing my part for perversions everywhere!
Last edited by Guest on Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
_Droopy
_Emeritus
Posts: 9826
Joined: Mon May 12, 2008 4:06 pm

Post by _Droopy »

I used to think this. I do not know anymore. Is homosexuality learned? Take an active LDS 16 year old who thinks he may be homosexual. He is a wonderful young man. Smart, talented, bright, everything you would want to see in an LDS youth. He is quite liked by the young women as well. His family is a good solid family and I see nothing at least on the outside that would indicate problems in the home that could drive this. He is worried about what life will be for him as an LDS person with same gender attractions. He seems to not want this and is really horrified by it. He believes that to be in the CK he must be married in the temple. Do you really think this is learned behavior? He has not acted, as far as I know, on Now maybe he is mixed up for some reason. I do not know. But I think it highly unlikely that he is really choosing this.

Same for another person I know who is 22. Similar situation and is from a country and culture that is more anti gay than anything in the US.

I am pretty sure the Church does not even take the position that this is learned or even a conscience choice for many anymore.



Homosexual behavior is learned. This says nothing regarding homosexual feelings or attraction, who's genesis is complex and obtuse.


Your understanding of the Church's position is rather wanting:


Dallen Oaks:


In contrast to our doctrinal approach, many persons approach the problems of same-sex attraction solely from the standpoint of current science. While I am not qualified as a scientist, with the aid of scientific literature and with the advice of qualified scientists and practitioners, I will attempt to refute the claim of some that scientific discoveries demonstrate that avowed homosexuals and lesbians were “born that way.”

We live in a time of accelerating scientific discoveries about the human body. We know that our inheritance explains many of our physical characteristics. At the same time, we also know that our behavior is profoundly influenced by psychosocial factors such as parental and sibling relationships (especially during the formative years) and the culture in which we live. The debate over whether, or the extent to which, specific behavior is attributable to “nature” or to “nurture” is centuries old. Its application to the subject of same-sex feelings and behaviors is only one manifestation of a highly complex subject on which scientific knowledge is still in its infancy.

Some scientists deny that behavior is genetically influenced. 8 Others are advocates of evidence or theories suggesting that “there is substantial evidence for genetic influence on sexual orientation.” 9

We are, of course, aware of evidence that inheritance explains susceptibilities to certain diseases like some cancers and some other illnesses like diabetes mellitus. There are also theories and some evidence that inheritance is a factor in susceptibilities to various behavior-related disorders like aggression, alcoholism, and obesity. It is easy to hypothesize that inheritance plays a role in sexual orientation. However, it is important to remember, as conceded by two advocates of this approach, that “the concept of substantial heritability should not be confused with the concept of inevitable heritability. … Most mechanisms probably involve interactions between constitutional predispositions and environmental events.” 10

Wherever they fall along the spectrum between outright rejection and total acceptance of biological determinism of sexual orientation, most scientists concede that the current evidence is insufficient and that firm conclusions must await many additional scientific studies.

A study of 56 pairs of identical male twins in which one twin classified himself as “gay” reported that 52 percent of the co-twins also classified themselves as gay. 11 A similar study of female identical twins yielded approximately the same proportion of co-twins who classified themselves as gay (34 of 71 pairs, 48 percent). 12 If these studies show some inherited influence on whatever causes a man or woman to classify himself or herself as homosexual or lesbian, it is clear that this influence is not determinative. As a prominent scientist observed, “Even the identical twin of a gay man has a 50 percent or more chance of being heterosexual—even though he has the exact same genes and is reared by the same parents.” 13 We should also note that the results of these studies (and others described below) are based on the subjects’ self-classifications, a shaky foundation for scientific conclusions when “there is still no universally accepted definition of homosexuality among clinicians and behavioral scientists—let alone a consensus regarding its origins.” 14

In any emerging area of knowledge, a new source of evidence is most welcome. In July 1993, Dr. Dean Hamer made worldwide headlines when he announced that he had found “a statistically significant correlation between the inheritance of genetic markers [an identifiable strip of DNA] on chromosomal region Xq28 and sexual orientation in a selected group of … homosexual men and their relatives over age 18.” In other words, “it appears that Xq28 contains a gene that contributes to homosexual orientation in males.” 15 Putting the most positive interpretation on his discovery, Dr. Hamer’s subsequent book concludes:

“We can make only educated guesses about the importance of Xq28 in the population at large. On the high side, the region couldn’t possibly influence more than 67 percent of gay men, the proportion ‘linked’ to this region in our highly selected group of gay siblings. On the low side, if much of homosexuality is caused by environmental factors, or by a large number of interacting genes, Xq28 could account for as little as a few percent of the variation in male sexual orientation. The median range, taken from our linkage data and from the available twin and family studies, suggests that Xq28 plays some role in about 5 to 30 percent of gay men. The broad range of these estimates is proof that much more work remains to be done.” 16

“Some role in about 5 to 30 percent” of self-classified “gay” men surely falls far short of justifying the claim that science has shown that “homosexuality” is “caused by” genetic inheritance. One eminent scientist identified two of the uncertainties:

“What evidence exists thus far of innate biological traits underlying homosexuality is flawed. … Confirmation of genetic research purporting to show that homosexuality is heritable makes clear neither what is inherited nor how it influences sexual orientation.” 17

In their impressive reappraisal of biologic theories of human sexual orientation, Drs. Byne and Parsons of Columbia University’s Department of Psychiatry offer these important cautions and suggestions:

“It is imperative that clinicians and behavioral scientists begin to appreciate the complexities of sexual orientation and resist the urge to search for simplistic explanations, either psychosocial or biologic.

“Conspicuously absent from most theorizing on the origins of sexual orientation is an active role of the individual in constructing his or her identity. … We propose an interactional model in which genes or hormones do not specify sexual orientation per se, but instead bias particular personality traits and thereby influence the manner in which an individual and his or her environment interact as sexual orientation and other personality characteristics unfold developmentally.” 18

This observation, but one of many suggestions from scientists, is particularly persuasive because it takes account of the vital element of individual choice that we know to be a true principle of our mortal condition.


James E. Faust:

There is some widely accepted theory extant that homosexuality is inherited. How can this be? No scientific evidence demonstrates absolutely that this is so. Besides, if it were so, it would frustrate the whole plan of mortal happiness. Our designation as men or women began before this world was. In contrast to the socially accepted doctrine that homosexuality is inborn, a number of respectable authorities contend that homosexuality is not acquired by birth. The false belief of inborn homosexual orientation denies to repentant souls the opportunity to change and will ultimately lead to discouragement, disappointment, and despair.


Gordon B. Hinckley:

We believe that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God. We believe that marriage may be eternal through exercise of the power of the everlasting priesthood in the house of the Lord. "People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians. My response is that we love them as sons and daughters of God. They may have certain inclinations which are powerful and which may be difficult to control. Most people have inclinations of one kind or another at various times. If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the Church. If they violate the law of chastity and the moral standards of the Church, then they are subject to the discipline of the Church, just as others are. "We want to help these people, to strengthen them, to assist them with their problems and to help them with their difficulties. But we cannot stand idle if they indulge in immoral activity, if they try to uphold and defend and live in a so-called same-sex marriage situation. To permit such would be to make light of the very serious and sacred foundation of God-sanctioned marriage and its very purpose, the rearing of families


M. Russel Ballard:

False prophets and false teachers are also those who attempt to change the God-given and scripturally based doctrines that protect the sanctity of marriage, the divine nature of the family, and the essential doctrine of personal morality. They advocate a redefinition of morality to justify fornication, adultery, and homosexual relationships. Some openly champion the legalization of so-called same-gender marriages. To justify their rejection of God’s immutable laws that protect the family, these false prophets and false teachers even attack the inspired proclamation on the family issued to the world in 1995 by the First Presidency and the Twelve Apostles.


Joseph B. Wirthlin:

Another core principle is moral purity. One of the most pervasive deceptions in recent years is the notion that immorality is normal and acceptable and has no negative consequences. In truth, immorality is the underlying cause of much suffering and many other problems that are prevalent today, including rampant disease, abortion, broken families, families without fathers, and mothers who themselves are children. President Ezra Taft Benson said, “The plaguing sin of this generation is sexual immorality.” 10 The Lord said, “Thou shalt not … commit adultery, … nor do anything like unto it.” 11 That means we are to avoid abnormal sexual behavior, including fornication, homosexual behavior, child molestation, or any other perversion of God’s plan of happiness.



The teaching now is as it has always been: homosexual conduct is not inherent or genetic in origin, the behavior itself is learned (and Gay culture is composed of numerous learned behaviors, some of them quite
carefully constructed around various kinds of homosexual identity), and it is serious sin for which we are accountable before our creator. It is also classed, with no particular special status given to it, among a host of other serious sins, all of which fall under the rubric of "sexual immorality".
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us

- President Ezra Taft Benson


I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.

- Thomas Sowell
_Moniker
_Emeritus
Posts: 4004
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:53 pm

Post by _Moniker »

Droopy wrote: It is also classed, with no particular special status given to it, among a host of other serious sins, all of which fall under the rubric of "sexual immorality".


Doesn't God judge an individuals sexual morality or immorality? Why are you concerned with it?
_Trevor
_Emeritus
Posts: 7213
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:28 pm

Post by _Trevor »

Droopy wrote:This says nothing regarding homosexual feelings or attraction, who's genesis is complex and obtuse.


I am simply interested in finding out how the genesis of homosexual attraction can possibly be obtuse?

Can anyone help on this one? Droopy?
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
_Gadianton
_Emeritus
Posts: 9947
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:12 am

Post by _Gadianton »

Coggins,

You are in open rebellion against the Chicago School and I hereby call you to repentance. I suggest you drop your reading of hobby blogs for a season and dust the thick, black dust off your copy of "Capitalism and Freedom" and read from it at least 30 minutes a day.

I fear if you don't mend your ways, you'll one day be sweating bullets at the Judgment Bar of Christ and Joseph Smith when Milton Friedman stands with arm to square and bears testimony against you.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
_Moniker
_Emeritus
Posts: 4004
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:53 pm

Post by _Moniker »

Trevor wrote:
Droopy wrote:This says nothing regarding homosexual feelings or attraction, who's genesis is complex and obtuse.


I am simply interested in finding out how the genesis of homosexual attraction can possibly be obtuse?

Can anyone help on this one? Droopy?


Well, I think we have to consider acute, obtuse, right, and straight when considering homosexual behavior. Does that help?
_Chap
_Emeritus
Posts: 14190
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:23 am

Post by _Chap »

Trevor wrote:
Droopy wrote:This says nothing regarding homosexual feelings or attraction, who's genesis is complex and obtuse.


I am simply interested in finding out how the genesis of homosexual attraction can possibly be obtuse?

Can anyone help on this one? Droopy?


That was ABSTRUSE, college boy!
_Trevor
_Emeritus
Posts: 7213
Joined: Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:28 pm

Post by _Trevor »

Chap wrote:That was ABSTRUSE, college boy!


No fair answering a classmate's question for him! He can't rely on you come test time.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
Locked