Today's Lesson: Jesus lights the Sun moon and stars

[_JonasS]

I was teaching people about photons before you were born.

Foul. This was not necessary nor does it add to the discussion. Jonas is making points; you may not like her points, but she's making them. It does you no credit to try to put a thumb on her. It just makes you look like you've just realized you aren't making your points clearly enough.

Might does not make right. Your attempt to belittle her does you no credit. That you would use this tactic puts you in the same box as DCP. Are you sure you want to use his tactics on someone who isn't using the same tactics on you?

Really? This poster has in the past informed us that she is studying for a degree in physics at a university in Scotland. She asks me if I know what a photon is when I object to her silly suggestion that photons are Jesus (or was it the other way round?). I think that is an attempted put-down by her, to which I responded in a restrained manner. And where is the 'might' here? All I have is a key-board, just like her. She is presumably quite intelligent enough to manage without protection from you.

Color is not a meaningless concept to anyone who is prepared to engage in discussion at a level higher than word games.

Perhaps she isn't expressing herself as well as she could, but you have no business dismissing her.

Actually my objection is not that she is failing to express herself clearly, but that she is not making an attempt to discuss the issue seriously, and instead is simply posting confused nonsense.

Doing a "what a sweet little airhead I am" act is not an excuse for being uncritical and unreflective. This is, after all, someone who has apparently been judged intelligent and educated enough to be admitted to a university to study a notoriously demanding subject - could we please see some signs of this intelligence being applied to something more serious?

Get your facts right before posting!

I might leap about here...

I asked because you tried to compare a photon to HIV and the Plague. I was trying to understand where you are coming from as I see no connection whatsoever. I put across the suggestion that Jesus could be Photons or perhaps an energy. It was not intended literal, thus the question "Why Can't"/ It was partially in humour and partially to inditiate thought, that just maybe Jesus could have been the energy as such rather than a literal being. A Photon is not on the same level as such diseases, thus my confusion.

I made an attempt to put across the idea that scriptures are not literal to our understanding and perhaps could be symbolic, that the words we read may not be what was actually meant. i.e. A parralel between scripture and Physics, that everything comes together as one.

I never poste in reply to your objection, you are free to object. I was posting in objection to your comparison between photons and HIV. Not many people understand Photons.

[_Chap]

See my previous explanation:

bcspace wanted Jesus to make the stars emit light in the sense that he is the source of all that is. As I pointed out, that makes him the source of a lot of very nasty things. Now you want to do it by making Jesus be the light itself. OK, so since Jesus is responsible for everything, you are going to have to make him be everything too, including, as I point out, a lot of nasty stuff.

So if you want photons to be Jesus because Jesus is the source of light, and so in some sense is that light, then you will have to let everything else be Jesus, including the Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

That does not of course imply that you have to say that from the physical point of view photons and viruses are the same sort of thing, which clearly they are not.

[_JonasS]

Angus McAwesome.

I am NOT a noob! I've been around here longer than the so named 'angus mcawesome'. and have been posting on forums similar to this since I was 14.

I am not the smartest, far from it. If you know anything about me, you would know that I am not like that at all. I admit that I am pretty dumb and have no idea how I got into uni or how I have done thus far so well, but I ain't gonna stop now, luck is on my side. I know very little about a lot of things and am gullable and somewhat naïve. in my opinion I have lived a sheltered life. I never once wrote the word 'semantics', so you might want to change your quote box.

I have trouble expressing myself and you can ask anyone in here that knows me. My English is something I have only recently learned to develop. Ask anyone that knew me from my first day in here. I will admit when I am wrong when I am and will admit that I am far behind than the majority of human society. I lack in many ways. I see things differently to a lot of people and perhaps that is the only reason why I made uni. My lecturers think I am clever but boy they are sooooo wrong. They only see my questions and random ideas. So I am not stuck up the way you describe at all.

[_JonasS]

See my previous explanation:

bcspace wanted Jesus to make the stars emit light in the sense that he is the source of all that is. As I pointed out, that makes him the source of a lot of very nasty things. Now you want to do it by making Jesus be the light itself. OK, so since Jesus is responsible for everything, you are going to have to make him be everything too, including, as I point out, a lot of nasty stuff.

So if you want photons to be Jesus because Jesus is the source of light, and so in some sense is that light, then you will have to let everything else be Jesus, including the Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

That does not of course imply that you have to say that from the physical point of view photons and viruses are the same sort of thing, which clearly they are not.

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But, I don't understand why you have to let everything else be Jesus also. If I say Quarks make everything and Jesus could possibly be quarks, then quarks are quarks, but quarks are not HIV and so id Jesus were another name for quarks then Jesus could be quarks but that doesn't mean Jesus would be HIV, only that Jesus formed in a certain manner would produce HIV, but not actually HIV.

[_Chap]

See my previous explanation:

bcspace wanted Jesus to make the stars emit light in the sense that he is the source of all that is. As I pointed out, that makes him the source of a lot of very nasty things. Now you want to do it by making Jesus be the light itself. OK, so since Jesus is responsible for everything, you are going to have to make him be everything too, including, as I point out, a lot of nasty stuff.

So if you want photons to be Jesus because Jesus is the source of light, and so in some sense is that light, then you will have to let everything else be Jesus, including the Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

That does not of course imply that you have to say that from the physical point of view photons and viruses are the same sort of thing, which clearly they are not.

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But, I don't understand why you have to let everything else be Jesus also. If I say Quarks make everything and Jesus could possibly be quarks, then quarks are quarks, but quarks are not HIV and so id Jesus were another name for quarks then Jesus could be quarks but that doesn't mean Jesus would be HIV, only that Jesus formed in a certain manner would produce HIV, but not actually HIV.

The 'Jesus is everything' point comes essentially from bcspace's position (which is, in effect, that Jesus subsists in some sense in all he creates). I see you want to limit Jesus to the role of an elementary particle.

Feel free. You can do strings too if you like. It won't get you away from the point that if your deity created everything, he is responsible for the nasty stuff as well as for the nice stuff.

[_JonasS]

See my previous explanation:

bcspace wanted Jesus to make the stars emit light in the sense that he is the source of all that is. As I pointed out, that makes him the source of a lot of very nasty things. Now you want to do it by making Jesus be the light itself. OK, so since Jesus is responsible for everything, you are going to have to make him be everything too, including, as I point out, a lot of nasty stuff.

So if you want photons to be Jesus because Jesus is the source of light, and so in some sense is that light, then you will have to let everything else be Jesus, including the Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

That does not of course imply that you have to say that from the physical point of view photons and viruses are the same sort of thing, which clearly they are not.

\

But, I don't understand why you have to let everything else be Jesus also. If I say Quarks make everything and Jesus could possibly be quarks, then quarks are quarks, but quarks are not HIV and so id Jesus were another name for quarks then Jesus could be quarks but that doesn't mean Jesus would be HIV, only that Jesus formed in a certain manner would produce HIV, but not actually HIV.

The 'Jesus is everything' point comes essentially from bcspace's position (which is, in effect, that Jesus subsists in some sense in all he creates). I see you want to limit Jesus to the role of an elementary particle.

Feel free. You can do strings too if you like. It won't get you away from the point that if your deity created everything, he is responsible for the nasty stuff as well as for the nice stuff.

But no one is saying he is not responsible. I am saying Jesus need not be HIV if he were a sub atomic partical or the energy causing it. Thus stating he would be responisible for but not actually HIV itself.

[_Angus McAwesome]

I am NOT a noob! I've been around here longer than the so named 'angus mcawesome'.

Yet you apperently can't operate Google, use Wiki, or any of a number of sites on the internet that would answer all of the moronic questions you asked, amirite. And to think somehow you managed to squirm past the admissions office of a university... Also, you've been a member of this board a month longer then I have and as far as I can tell, your posting history is a long series of "dur... I'm an airhead, don't be mean to me" zero content posts and tiresome word games.

and have been posting on forums similar to this since I was 14.

Wow, you've been using the internet so what... Five or six years and you can't figure out Google?

Ok, seriously, who ever is funding your stay at a university, do them a favor and drop out so you stop wasting their money. Honestly, you act this dumb and you expect us to believe that you're in a physics program at a uni with a solid reputation for excellence in that field?

I am not the smartest, far from it.

That's blatantly obvious...

emo whining tl;dr

Jonas, no one here knows anything about you but what you tells us and how you behave here. If you act like an idiot, then get used to people calling you an idiot.

I never once wrote the word 'semantics', so you might want to change your quote box.

And you wonder why you're a n00b...

more butthurt smo excuses tl;dr

Yawn...

So I am not stuck up the way you describe at all.

I never said you are stuck up, Jonas. I said you're an intellectual midget that likes to play adolescent word games.

[_Some Schmo]

It won't get you away from the point that if your deity created everything, he is responsible for the nasty stuff as well as for the nice stuff.

Not only that, but if he indeed created everything for the sake of human life, then he is easily the most wasteful creator ever, given the vastness of the universe and how much of it is actually inhabitable by mankind.

If I were his project manager (on the "Create A Space for Humankind" Project - or CASH) he'd have gotten his pink slip before the first million years were up. "Wait... you're telling me I have to wait 4.5 billion years before human life begins, and even then, it'll only exist within 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% (approximate value rounded up to save bandwidth and forum space) of the universe? Jesus! You're fired!"

[_harmony]

I never said you are stuck up, Jonas. I said you're an intellectual midget that likes to play adolescent word games.

Back off. Either intersect with her argument, or shut the hell up. Your attack makes you look like an intellectual midget with the discernment of a field mouse.

[_Chap]

Jesus! You're fired!

That's "You're fired, Jesus" surely?

Or in business-speak. "It's been great having you with us, Jesus, and we feel now that you deserve the opportunity to develop your career in new directions."