"It was the calendar" -Chad Hardy

[_Mister Scratch]

Isn't it just as possible that some nosy and gossipy neighbor went immediately to the ecclesiastical leaders and ratted on Hardy once the calendar began hitting stores?

Surely Hardy's ecclesiastical leaders would have had the sense and decency to dismiss such rumor and gossip with a strong word of counsel to any hypothetical neighbor gossiping about Hardy.

The way I see it, there are essentially three possibilities as to how they came by the information:

1. It was "leaked" by a gossipy neighbor.
2. The ecclesiastical leaders (Stake Pres. and/or Bishop) investigated the matter themselves via a "stakeout" of Hardy's residence and prying into his Internet activities.
3. It was handled by a separate Church entity, such as the SCMC---which, let's face it, was brought into existence precisely for dealing with events such as this.

All things considered, imvho, I believe that possibilities 1 & 3 are the most likely, and I am giving a slight edge to No. 3 since Hardy claims he was told by a reporter with "connections" that his ex'ing order came from "On High."

Another thought: is it possible that the SP learned of the "sinning with the female employee" due to snooping around on Hardy's MySpace page? In any event, all of this is highly, highly disturbing.

[_guy sajer]

Isn't it just as possible that some nosy and gossipy neighbor went immediately to the ecclesiastical leaders and ratted on Hardy once the calendar began hitting stores?

Surely Hardy's ecclesiastical leaders would have had the sense and decency to dismiss such rumor and gossip with a strong word of counsel to any hypothetical neighbor gossiping about Hardy.

The way I see it, there are essentially three possibilities as to how they came by the information:

1. It was "leaked" by a gossipy neighbor.
2. The ecclesiastical leaders (Stake Pres. and/or Bishop) investigated the matter themselves via a "stakeout" of Hardy's residence and prying into his Internet activities.
3. It was handled by a separate Church entity, such as the SCMC---which, let's face it, was brought into existence precisely for dealing with events such as this.

All things considered, imvho, I believe that possibilities 1 & 3 are the most likely, and I am giving a slight edge to No. 3 since Hardy claims he was told by a reporter with "connections" that his ex'ing order came from "On High."

Another thought: is it possible that the SP learned of the "sinning with the female employee" due to snooping around on Hardy's MySpace page? In any event, all of this is highly, highly disturbing.

I would not be surprised if instructions came from on high, but would like to see some proof before I go in that direction. For an organization that invests so much in PR and is reasonably savvy with regards to PR, the least competent PR flack could have predicted the outcome of dictating Hardy's excommunication in terms of its impact on the Church's image.

[_Trevor]

For an organization that invests so much in PR and is reasonably savvy with regards to PR, the least competent PR flack could have predicted the outcome of dictating Hardy's excommunication in terms of its impact on the Church's image.

I don't know precisely who is it was that gathered the information behind the accusation that Hardy had an inappropriate relationship with his female employee, but Hardy was told by a reporter that his disciplinary process had been initiated by the office of the First Presidency. In the Hancock case, the stake president enlisted the help of Hancock's LDS neighbor to watch his house and report back.

[_The Nehor]

Oh crap!!!!!!!!! I just told my female friend how sexy she is on Facebook. NO ONE REPORT ME!!!!!!!!!!!

[_moksha]

Whether the reason for the proposed excommunication is saying that Lamanite DNA is Asiatic in origin, or publishing a calendar with topless Returned Missionaries, I wish they would list these exact reasons rather than to do an end run of attacking their personal character. It is so much more honest that way.

[_Trevor]

Whether the reason for the proposed excommunication is saying that Lamanite DNA is Asiatic in origin, or publishing a calendar with topless Returned Missionaries, I wish they would list these exact reasons rather than to do an end run of attacking their personal character. It is so much more honest that way.

Well, they must have bad character if they are doing these other things, by Mormon leader reasoning at least.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Whether the reason for the proposed excommunication is saying that Lamanite DNA is Asiatic in origin, or publishing a calendar with topless Returned Missionaries, I wish they would list these exact reasons rather than to do an end run of attacking their personal character. It is so much more honest that way.

I agree. Why not just say these activities are grounds for excommunication rather than trying to find some other transgression? Nice to see he got it in writing. Reading that correspondence was eery, and unfortunately for those of us who spent time in the church, it rings very true. But I don't see getting exed as a bad thing for him.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Oh crap!!!!!!!!! I just told my female friend how sexy she is on Facebook. NO ONE REPORT ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Really, what is her name?

Rosy Palm?

[_The Nehor]

Oh crap!!!!!!!!! I just told my female friend how sexy she is on Facebook. NO ONE REPORT ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Really, what is her name?

Rosy Palm?

Nope, I've never spent time fetishizing and personifying instruments of masturbation. I think that's your hobby.

[_rcrocket]

I wish they would list these exact reasons rather than to do an end run of attacking their personal character. It is so much more honest that way.[/size]

Doesn't the quality of evidence mean anything to you?

You are like Kevin Trudeau: things "they" do and don't do; things "they" don't want you to know.

You're basing "their" dishonesty upon whose testimony, exactly?