Gaz advocates death by blood atonement for Chad Hardy?

[_Gazelam]

Jersey,

What do you mean law of chastity? What if the gay persons are legally married?

You already know what the law of chastity is. Marriage is between a Man and a Woman only, as the First Presidency has stated in their official declaration.

[_asbestosman]

I think someone who actively watches and or reads pornography should be excommunicated.

People who create pornography and are members of the church, particularly those who have been through the temple, would be candidates.


Marriot should be disfellowshiped until he removes the pornography from his hotels.

I don't follow the logic. So selling porn for profit isn't death-worthy, but producing it could be?

Anyhow, I agree that homosexual "marriage" is wrong. I just don't think violence is necessary for any sins except maybe murder and child abuse. I would think that all other sins might possibly be overcome and it would be worse to kill someone in their sins rather than let 100 sinners continue to sin in the hopes that one repents. If God wishes to kill someone to stop things from being worse (e.g. the flood) then that's His buisness. He's quite ccapable of doing it Himself--He doesn't need me as a henchman, spectator, nor advocate for death.

Murder and child abuse are, I think, too dangerous to others for us to take that chance in the same manner as homosexuality / pornography.

[_Ray A]

I adocate blood atonement for unrepentant homosexuals. Yes

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I advocate it because if a member (One who knows the doctrine beforehand) chooses to be a homosexual and refuses to repent, they are in a sinful condition. To remain this way is to inflict further destruction and a future punishment upon their soul. Ending their mortal condition is to do them a favor in that it is ending their state of mortal probation. Obviously in the case of homosexuality they will be unable to act upon their sinful nature, and therefore they cannot continue to break the law of chastity. A law second only to murder.

Do believe that all homosexuals "choose" their "condition"? Another question, Gaz. If scientific literature throws serious doubt on the "personal choice" question, that is, that some gay people are biologically oriented to homosexuality, does this, in your opinion, mitigate such punishment, or judgement? For example, the studies of Simon Le Vay and others have shown that the hypothalamus in gay people is different to heterosexuals and apparently orients their sexuality. You could, theoretically and in actuality, have a female brain in a male body. That's a quirk of biology, if you will. How would repentance change a biological condition?

[_Gazelam]

Asbestosman,

Murder and being unchaste are more closely related than you think.

[_Jersey Girl]

Gaz,

Please clarify blood atonement for me. Who does the killing?

Jersey

I'm at my in-laws at the moment, so I don't have my notes on it to give you a proper responce. To my understanding it exists solely in a time of a religious government. An unrepentant person who has made covenants to their God and is actively seeking to tear down the church and or tear down doctrines and promote an unchaste lifestyle is taken and executed in order to save their own souls. (As I stated before)

I can't remember if this is an actual ordinance. I only studied it out once, and you know how good my memory is. I believe it involves a pre-dug grave, and the persons throught is slit and they are to bleed out before burial.

Gaz

Back up the truck, Gaz. You're now admitting that you're promoting something you studied once and can't remember.

I'll confine my responses to this thread only but I have to tell you, this is frustrating for me.

[_asbestosman]

If scientific literature throws serious doubt on the "personal choice" question, that is, that some gay people are biologically oriented to homosexuality, does this, in your opinion, mitigate such punishment, or judgement? For example, the studies of Simon Le Vay and others have shown that the hypothalamus in gay people is different to heterosexuals and apparently orients their sexuality. You could, theoretically and in actuality, have a female brain in a male body. That's a quirk of biology, if you will. How would repentance change a biological condition?

That is interesting, but it's a chicken and egg problem. We know that the brain's structure influences behavior, but we also know that behavior influences the brain's structure.

[_Gazelam]

Ray A,

How will these people be resurrected? Do you think that men will be resurrected as women in some cases, or vice versa?

[_Jersey Girl]

There are a number of theories regarding the origins of sexual orientation. None of them provide without a doubt proof that sexuality is nature or nuture. It's scientifically up in the air and until the coin lands, we should be careful about what judgements we make regarding choice.

[_Gazelam]

Jersey,

Back up the truck, Gaz. You're now admitting that you're promoting something you studied once and can't remember.

I'll confine my responses to this thread only but I have to tell you, this is frustrating for me.

I understand the doctrine and the thought process behind it. I was only stating that I can't quote the entire write up on it as I usually would, which is frustrating for me. Enjoy this rare occasion where you get to read my own views as opposed to my lengthy quotes from others.

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey,

Back up the truck, Gaz. You're now admitting that you're promoting something you studied once and can't remember.

I'll confine my responses to this thread only but I have to tell you, this is frustrating for me.

I understand the doctrine and the thought process behind it. I was only stating that I can't quote the entire write up on it as I usually would, which is frustrating for me. Enjoy this rare occasion where you get to read my own views as opposed to my lengthy quotes from others.

Your own views were all I've ever wanted from you, Gaz.