Gaz advocates death by blood atonement for Chad Hardy?

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Gazelam wrote:Ray A,

How will these people be resurrected? Do you think that men will be resurrected as women in some cases, or vice versa?

You don't get it, do you? You actually believe the fairy tales, don't you? It's so obvious, Gaz. There will not ever be a resurrection. That's just made up, presumably to help people deal with their fear of death. Gaz, the God you imagine, the Heaven you imagine, the resurrection, etc. are not real. And in this context, you are advocating the idea that human beings should have their throats slit so they can bleed out over an open grave, in which they are subsequently buried, because they shared/manipulated the sexual organs of someone of the same sex? Can you really not see how monstrous this suggestion is?
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moksha wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Gazelam wrote:Ren,

You really do see this as a reasonable response. Don't you. You aren't kidding...


In the case of the unrepentant member? Yes....



You are a sick dude and scary, if you really believe this.

Blood atonement was another wild eyed idea from BY, like AG, that never really had anything to do with God.



Talking about murdering Homosexuals in some sort of blood atonement ceremony is completely unacceptable. It portrays Mormons
as homicidal zealots, which they are not. This is simply some sort of anomaly tied solely to Gaz and its etiology in unknown.

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I'm 1000% behind Mok and Jason on this one.

Gaz, you are not the judge and jury on who should live and who should die. There is only one judge, and on one here on this earth fits that bill.
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Post by _Ren »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmQVWH9u8Xo

...said Boy George, just before 'Gaz-e-slit-um' stuck a javelin though him...
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I'm wondering, Gaz, if you wouldn't mind commenting on my particular case.

Homosexuality isn't my personal choice; it's never been a temptation for me. It's never been a "sin" I've indulged in. I didn't "decide" to be straight, I just am. However, homosexuality doesn't seem to be that big of a sin to me. What is it really? You're sharing your body with a person of one sex instead of another. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal...

No...I think I am guilty of something far, FAR worse than homosexuality, and I think you'll agree.

I don't believe there's a God, Gaz. That's my sin. What's more, I left the Mormon church over it. So that makes me an atheist AND an apostate.

Shouldn't I suffer blood atonement? Instead of the paltry teeny tiny sin of being attracted to someone with the same sexual hardware, I deny there is a God and I deny that Mormonism is true. In fact, I defy God to strike me dead right here at my keyboard, if he's actually there, and a Mormon.

...Nope. I'm still here. Hmm.

Atheism seems like a far more egregious sin than people of the same sex having physical contact. Would you like to see me dead, Gaz? Would you like to see pools of my blood soak into the ground of a freshly-dug grave? Would you like to use the knife on me yourself?

If blood atonement returns, people like you will be asked to do the killing, won't they?

Before you spill my blood, Gaz, I'd like to tell you a bit about myself.

I'm 37 years old. I'm female. I have long, curly blond hair. It didn't used to be curly, actually. It was straight forever, but just sort of started getting wavy in the last few years, and now it looks like Daryl Hannah's hair from that movie when she was a mermaid. It's actually all the way down to my butt. It's pretty long. And I have blue eyes. Not a really luminous blue; more of a clear-water kind of blue. Sometimes, depending on what I wear, they can look a little green, too. I guess you could say, I'm kind of cute. That kind of thing seems to be in the eye of the beholder, though. Maybe you'd think I was cute, maybe you wouldn't. Physical appearance seems secondary, at least to me, to what exists inside of a person, so I should tell you about that. I think it's more important.

I love to read. I have SO many books. I love ideas, and I love learning about how the world and everything in it works. Sometimes, I think I can't get enough of learning. If there was a heaven, and I don't believe there is, I would wish it looked like the reading room in the British Museum. Have you ever seen that? I've been there, and it looks like heaven to me. :) It's perfectly round, and lined with bookshelves, several stories high. And it's peaceful and quiet -- but with the noise of pages being turned very softly.

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Outside of the reading room, you hear the bustle of people visiting the museum. But inside, it's like heaven.

I love thunderstorms. I think I prefer them to a sunny day. The sky becomes such a beautiful range of blues and grays all boiling together. And I love horses. I've ridden them my whole life. I was raised on a ranch in Arizona. It's beautiful there, after it rains. The water gets soaked into the ground, and the wildflowers explode suddenly, and the world is full of color all at once, and the air is full of perfume. I haven't been back there in such a long time. I miss it. If you kill me, Gaz, I won't have a chance to go back and see the wildflowers again.

I have a little boy. He's growing up, and I can already see the kind of person he is going to be. I've tried so hard to be a good mother to him, and I am so proud of who he is. His teachers tell me, when they have two unruly students, they have my son sit in between them, as a good example. They say, if he plays with two kids who were fighting previously, everyone seems to get along. He brings that kind of peaceful energy with him wherever he goes. He makes people happy. He is going to be a good man. I hope I get to see him become the person he will be.

Because I don't believe in God, I have to believe in the very best of what humans are capable of right here, right now. I believe that love is sacred. I believe it is holy. I believe when two people love each other, they can make a world all for themselves. It shuts out all the things that diminish, and take away hope, and give us fear. I believe that love is a place where you can find redemption, and safety, and where you can go when this big frightening world gets to be too much.

There is so much more I could say. I don't know if I've said enough. OH! I taught my cat to sit up! Can you believe that? She’ll sit up on her hind legs for a treat, kind of like a mongoose or something. Do you have any idea how hard it is to train a cat to do that? lol If you kill me, Gaz, there will be no one around to reinforce what she’s learned, and she’s going to forget that trick. She’s not very smart.

Have I become a person to you, Gaz? Am I something more than just a thing, a thing to be slaughtered over an abstract idea of what is good and what is bad? Should I die for my sin? Do you still want to kill me, and keep me from seeing my son become the amazing man he will be, and keep me from the Arizona wildflowers and the thundering sky, and the books that I love? Would you really do that to me?

I’m a person, not a thing, Gaz. You understand that, right? Holding that knife, forcing me down over an open grave, you’d be killing a person. Are you so confident, so sure in yourself and your beliefs, that you could do that? Are you so convinced that is what God wants, that you could cut my throat and watch me die?
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Beautiful post Hally and welcome to the board. You did a neat thing in "humanizing" yourself in your story. Murderers and killers, like Gaz, do see the object of their obsession as not human but as an object. I think that is exactly what Gaz has done, he has dehumanized a segment of society.

I too believe I am in a similar place as you Hally and I think the Gaz types of this world would also like to kill me and it has nothing to do with sex.

Comments for Gaz: Thought proceeds action. If lusting for a woman in your mind and heart is the same as committing adultery, are you not guilty of killing? Your idea of killing in my world is murder. Gaz in my world you are a murderer.
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There is a difference between hereditary, congenital, and biological. The three are related, but it is important to understand the distinctions. People often confuse them in ways that causes mistakes when talking about causes of homosexuality.
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Jersey Girl wrote:There are a number of theories regarding the origins of sexual orientation. None of them provide without a doubt proof that sexuality is nature or nuture. It's scientifically up in the air and until the coin lands, we should be careful about what judgements we make regarding choice.


I had a physiological psychology professor who made it clear to her students that if they wrote a paper where the revelation was that some psychological trait was both nature and nuture, she'd fail the paper. That's because it is incredibly trivial to say a given trait is both nature and nurture. Inherited genes interact with the environment to produce one's physiological makeup. What we really are interested in is whether the differences in heredity or environment account for more of the differences in traits we see and exactly how genes interact with their environs to produce those traits. That's interesting.
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I don't think Gaz has ever advocated death for anyone except those who are still LDS. Thus one could seemingly easily avoid Gaz's gruesome death by simply renouncing Mormonism and not trying to counsel the brethren to accept sin. I don't think Gaz is advocating death for atheists although he may have some other thoughts on that. Do I have that right, Gaz?

I think Renegade makes a good point about the purported idea of blood atonement. My understanding was that it was purportedly voluntary (with high pressure of course). Also, it was allegedly not about preventing more sin, as Gaz has seemingly argued, but rather about making it possible to repent of murder or other sins that would otherwise be unforgivable.
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asbestosman wrote:I don't think Gaz has ever advocated death for anyone except those who are still LDS. Thus one could seemingly easily avoid Gaz's gruesome death by simply renouncing Mormonism and not trying to counsel the brethren to accept sin. I don't think Gaz is advocating death for atheists although he may have some other thoughts on that. Do I have that right, Gaz?

I think Renegade makes a good point about the purported idea of blood atonement. My understanding was that it was purportedly voluntary (with high pressure of course). Also, it was allegedly not about preventing more sin, as Gaz has seemingly argued, but rather about making it possible to repent of murder or other sins that would otherwise be unforgivable.


Even so, Gaz shouldn't be advocating death for anyone who is homosexual, Mormon or not.
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liz3564 wrote:Even so, Gaz shouldn't be advocating death for anyone who is homosexual, Mormon or not.

As I have repeatedly stated, the brethren do not support Gaz's extremist ideas. I had hoped that would be sufficient.

It would be ironic if Gaz were in essense the one counseling the brethren, wouldn't it?
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