Keeping Religious Zealots Out of Power

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_Jason Bourne
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christopher wrote:Below is a snippet from a piece that was written in 2006 regarding Romney's potential run. I hold myself to be a fairly conservative Christian, yet agree with this (and your, KA,) ideas.


"Nor is it chauvinistic to say that certain religious views should be deal breakers in and of themselves. There are millions of religious Americans who would never vote for an atheist for president, because they believe that faith is necessary to lead the country. Others, myself included, would not, under most imaginable circumstances, vote for a fanatic or fundamentalist—a Hassidic Jew who regards Rabbi Menachem Schneerson as the Messiah, a Christian literalist who thinks that the Earth is less than 7,000 years old, or a Scientologist who thinks it is haunted by the souls of space aliens sent by the evil lord Xenu. Such views are disqualifying because they're dogmatic, irrational, and absurd. By holding them, someone indicates a basic failure to think for himself or see the world as it is.

By the same token, I wouldn't vote for someone who truly believed in the founding whoppers of Mormonism. The LDS church holds that Joseph Smith, directed by the angel Moroni, unearthed a book of golden plates buried in a hillside in Western New York in 1827. The plates were inscribed in "reformed" Egyptian hieroglyphics—a nonexistent version of the ancient language that had yet to be decoded. If you don't know the story, it's worth spending some time with Fawn Brodie's wonderful biography No Man Knows My History. Smith was able to dictate his "translation" of the Book of Mormon first by looking through diamond-encrusted decoder glasses and then by burying his face in a hat with a brown rock at the bottom of it. He was an obvious con man. Romney has every right to believe in con men, but I want to know if he does, and if so, I don't want him running the country. "


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Well I understand this. But the only difference between the "whoppers" of Mormonism and the "whoppers" of Christianity and the Bible is the latter have been around for a long long time and there is less documentation for critics to pick apart.

It amazes me that a Christian would think angelic visits and the visions of early Mormonism are hard to believe when they believe all the Bible. If a Christian would withhold their vote because believing in Mormonism is wacky then they should not vote for a Christian either.
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Do we have any confirmation that Mitt Romney would seek to bring back Blood Atonement?
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Consider how deeply Gaz appreciates a very, very, very wide, wide, wide variety of music produced by artists, probably 95% of which abhore Mormon values and live lifestyles that would get them stoned under a new reign of the Law of Moses.

Now think about this, if Gaz ever did rise to power and kill all the "bad" people, the music would really suck forever more. And it would be his fault.

Great job, Gaz. Thanks a lot buddy.
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moksha wrote:Do we have any confirmation that Mitt Romney would seek to bring back Blood Atonement?


Only for Democrats. :)
_KimberlyAnn
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moksha wrote:Do we have any confirmation that Mitt Romney would seek to bring back Blood Atonement?


No, but he might bring back helmet hair, and that's something we can all do without!

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KA, I enjoyed your thoughtful OP. But I think there are still Americans who--as seen here--have the smarts to balance the stupids.

Re LDS threat: They're not all Gazites ;-). Only 30% +/- pay full tithes. Temple stuff doesn't get 100% attendance. As always, generally speaking, HT & VT are subjects of too-little-member-diligence. Many obviously don't do very well living the WoW. Many youth do not "keep the faith of their fathers"...

Other Fundy groups seem to be more self-centred with growing accumulations of consumer toys--not an especially good thing IMSCO--to be very interested in serious politics. While there needs be concern for religious extremists, I think there needs be concern about corrupt. and indifferent, politicians and their colusion with corrupt and greedy CEOs. i.e. Fanny May & Freddie what's-his-name... But you're right, ya gotta the crazies...
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Roger Morrison wrote:KA, I enjoyed your thoughtful OP. But I think there are still Americans who--as seen here--have the smarts to balance the stupids.

Re LDS threat: They're not all Gazites ;-). Only 30% +/- pay full tithes. Temple stuff doesn't get 100% attendance. As always, generally speaking, HT & VT are subjects of too-little-member-diligence. Many obviously don't do very well living the WoW. Many youth do not "keep the faith of their fathers"...

Other Fundy groups seem to be more self-centred with growing accumulations of consumer toys--not an especially good thing IMSCO--to be very interested in serious politics. While there needs be concern for religious extremists, I think there needs be concern about corrupt. and indifferent, politicians and their colusion with corrupt and greedy CEOs. i.e. Fanny May & Freddie what's-his-name... But you're right, ya gotta the crazies...
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Gadianton wrote:Consider how deeply Gaz appreciates a very, very, very wide, wide, wide variety of music produced by artists, probably 95% of which abhore Mormon values and live lifestyles that would get them stoned under a new reign of the Law of Moses.

Now think about this, if Gaz ever did rise to power and kill all the "bad" people, the music would really suck forever more. And it would be his fault.

Great job, Gaz. Thanks a lot buddy.


Hah Hah Hah, I love this post. : )

This reminds me of Bill Hicks stand up bit about illegal drugs and music:

“If you don't think drugs have done good things for us, then take all of your records, tapes and CDs and burn them. Cause you know what? The musicians that made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years? Real f***ing high on drugs. "


I myself am a big fan of Queen. I think they produced incredible music. I just wouldent ever want Freddie Mercury babysitting my kids. he was a pervert. An incredibly talented pervert, but a pervert nonetheless. Same with Elton John. I've listened to Rob Halford sing "Diamonds and Rust" five times in a row, but I don't think I'd want to have dinner with him.

The worlds made up of alot of different people, and everyones blessed by their diversity. That being said, some forms of diversity are corrosive to social well being. Homosexuality and its acceptance are a cancer on society. I think alot of these musicians fall into this immoral slippery slope because they have too much free time. Idle hands being what they are, not to mention the easily obtained drugs and alcohol that effect ones judgement.

My comments regarding Blood Atonement are solely directed to those homosexuals who have a full understanding of the gospel yet choose to maintain their sinful nature anyway.

Gaz
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Gazelam wrote:
My comments regarding Blood Atonement are solely directed to those homosexuals who have a full understanding of the gospel yet choose to maintain their sinful nature anyway.

Gaz


Most people would call this murder. It is something to be abhorred in the Bible and yet apparently there are some religious people who
would declare such murders holy, as sort of their own small Jihad for God. I think therefore that Kimberly Ann's post may be somewhat
of a wakeup call for all of us regarding any lackadaisical approach to the importance of voting.
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There are not a few anti ex mo's who qualify as a religious fanatics.
Machina Sublime
Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
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The Degeneracy Of Progressivism.
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