LDS Apologetics Operating Costs Are More Than $7,000,000

[_Daniel Peterson]

Of course your *salary* didn't change! You've said that all along. And I, for one, believe you. Rather, it was your supplemental, Mopologetic income which fluctuated.

There was no such "supplemental, Mopologetic [sic] income." And my fee as board chairman didn't change.

Well, this confuses things somewhat, then. It means that the 20 G's came in addition to your normal 6K payment. Or something like that....

I would have to look at the documents to know whether you're accurately reflecting the real and relevant figures as given in the documents. I don't trust you much.

I was paid $6K as chairman of the board. The accounting arrangements between my department and FARMS didn't affect my salary so much as a dime, so I couldn't tell you precisely how much my department received from FARMS in order to buy out my time. I paid no attention. If they were happy with the arrangement, I was happy.

Odd how your memory is so remarkably accurate when it's convenient for your argument.

There's nothing odd about remembering that my compensation as chairman of the board was $6K rather than $20K.

[_The Nehor]

In return for that, I have received death threats from DCP and The Nehor, both of whom have suggested (joking or otherwise) that they would like to use an "assault rifle" on me.

I don't think you understand what a death threat is.

If I were to threaten you with death, I would say something along the lines of:

"I'm going to hunt you down and break into your house while you smugly type on your computer. I will then use my sidearm to shoot out your kneecaps. Then I will use my machete to cut your throat and slowly slice up your pudgy body while you stare at me in terror. Then when all is ending your last sight in this world will be of my grinning face gloating over your demise."

That's a death threat. Learn the difference and live a fuller life.

You should probably sig this. :)

Unbelievable.

What is unbelievable? That I could produce a good sample death threat? I'm hurt by that Scratch.

[_Daniel Peterson]

What is unbelievable? That I could produce a good sample death threat? I'm hurt by that Scratch.

Nehor:

There is, in my mind, just the barest possibility that Scratch actually, seriously, believes his life to be threatened. On the whole, I'm still quite convinced that, for odd reasons best known to himself, he's putting on a melodramatic act. But some things that he's said today have caused me to hold that opinion with just a tiny smidgin of new tentativeness. (I don't know whether the tentativeness will last long, though.)

[_Mister Scratch]

Of course your *salary* didn't change! You've said that all along. And I, for one, believe you. Rather, it was your supplemental, Mopologetic income which fluctuated.

There was no such "supplemental, Mopologetic [sic] income." And my fee as board chairman didn't change.

The fee was on top of your BYU teaching salary, no?

Well, this confuses things somewhat, then. It means that the 20 G's came in addition to your normal 6K payment. Or something like that....

I would have to look at the documents to know whether you're accurately reflecting the real and relevant figures as given in the documents. I don't trust you much.

Then look at them! It will take you five minutes, tops. Rollo kindly posted the links in a prior post. Just scroll up and find it, and *presto!* whatever criticism you are worried about will vanish.

I was paid $6K as chairman of the board. The accounting arrangements between my department and FARMS didn't affect my salary so much as a dime, so I couldn't tell you precisely how much my department received from FARMS in order to buy out my time. I paid no attention. If they were happy with the arrangement, I was happy.

If you were making money by doing apologetics---even if it were a fairly insignificant amount---would you not want people to know about?

[_antishock8]

And my fee as board chairman didn't change.

QFR.

http://maxwellinstitute.BYU.edu/viewaut ... authorID=1

Just in case anyone wants to be disabused of the notion that he spends his time primarily working in his field. It's not even close.

[_Daniel Peterson]

The fee was on top of your BYU teaching salary, no?

As I've said several times, yes it was.

If you were making money by doing apologetics---even if it were a fairly insignificant amount---would you not want people to know about?

The salary buyout has never had the slightest connection with apologetics. None whatsoever.

[_The Nehor]

What is unbelievable? That I could produce a good sample death threat? I'm hurt by that Scratch.

Nehor:

There is, in my mind, just the barest possibility that Scratch actually, seriously, believes his life to be threatened. On the whole, I'm still quite convinced that, for odd reasons best known to himself, he's putting on a melodramatic act. But some things that he's said today have caused me to hold that opinion with just a tiny smidgin of new tentativeness. (I don't know whether the tentativeness will last long, though.)

I don't know. I've said before that I was siccing a Danite hit squad on him and he shrugged it off. I think he only gets uppity about it when it's you. Note that I was more of an afterthought. :(

[Guest]

What a stunner!

Poor antishock8 has discovered that a list of my Mormon-related publications with FARMS contains nothing but Mormon-related publications with FARMS!

Clearly, that demonstrates that I've only published Mormon-related things, and only with FARMS!

Brilliant, antishock8! Well done!

[_Mister Scratch]

The fee was on top of your BYU teaching salary, no?

As I've said several times, yes it was.

Well, okay, then. That means that you earn a supplemental income for doing apologetics. I'm sure James White, Infymus, and others will be pleased to know that you've finally come out with the truth. Sure, you can try and claim that you were working with Islamic translation, or doing administrative tasks, or whatever else. The bottom line is that part of your duties involved the FARMS Review, which means, therefore, that you were earning a supplemental income for doing apologetics.

If you were making money by doing apologetics---even if it were a fairly insignificant amount---would you not want people to know about?

The salary buyout has never had the slightest connection with apologetics. None whatsoever.

That doesn't answer my question. If you were making money from apologetics (and you are! at least $6,000 per year!), would you want to prevent people from knowing?

By the way: Did you have to report your doings and tasks in any way to the FARMS accountant? I.e., how, to your knowledge, would the accountant have taken stock of your work in order to come up with the compensation total? For example, did you publish beaucoup apologetic articles one year, so the accountant would have paid BYU as much as $20,000 in order to cover the time it took you?

[_The Nehor]

What a stunner!

Poor antishock8 has discovered that a list of my Mormon-related publications with FARMS contains nothing but Mormon-related publications with FARMS!

Clearly, that demonstrates that I've only published Mormon-related things, and only with FARMS!

Brilliant, antishock8! Well done!

A watershed moment in the history of mopologetics.