Keeping Religious Zealots Out of Power

[_beastie]

Are you trying to single handedly convince us that Harris and Dawkins are correct?

[_GoodK]

Are you trying to single handedly convince us that Harris and Dawkins are correct?

Whether or not he is trying, he is doing a damn good job.

[_KimberlyAnn]

Your bloodlust disgusts me. Gaz, you're outrageously bigoted and not very bright, which is, in my estimation, a particularly dangerous combination.

Life is like a box of chocolates. Your apparently the dark and bitter.

My littlest sister is a lesbian. And still on the rolls of the Mormon church. She hasn't believed for a long time, but still, she's a member of record.

Hopefully a good home teacher will come by and straighten her out.

She lives with her partner, whom I adore, and who is an incredibly caring and generous woman.

Which ones the manly one? Is your sister the listick or the diesel dyke? You know the kind, hefty in the rear with a mancut and a ring of keys dangling on the hip.

You advocate the murder of my little sister, Gaz.

That depends. Has she had a witness of the Spirit and acts the way she does anyway?

You aren't Christlike. You are evil.

Ever heard of Sodom and Gommorah? Place was full up with homos, Christ burned them all up. Be glad I'm advocating a swift death and not a burning.

You disgust me.

You have a sister who owns a large collection of dildos and I disgust you?

Yeah, you utterly disgust me.

I feel sorry for your children.

If one of your boys is in fact gay, you can throw him out on my street.

KA

[_Hally McIlrath]

Hally,

You have a great way with words and I really wish I could write as well as you do.

Thank you.

And you would be wrong, and would need to come to grips with that.

I don't want anymore pain, or death. I just want it to be over. Why is that wrong?

I understand what it is to feel bad when you do something wrong. I've felt guilt for things I have said that have hurt others. As for taking a wrong that was inflicted on me and feeling bad about it no, I am sorry, I cannot relate to that.

I wasn't questioning whether you have felt guilt, but rather, if you have felt or could understand that sometimes even victims can feel as if they brought something upon themselves. You know, as in my case, I was only a little girl, but maybe I could have run away, or hid. You see? That is the guilt. And if someone were killed, even though they were wrong, because of me, I would feel guilty. Whether it was justice or not, for the rest of my life, I'd know that because of me, someone died.

It would be like if you, Gaz, ran someone over with your car, and they died. It wasn't your fault, let's say, but you could never wipe out the horror that you played a part in their death.

I am not saying I am right to feel this way, or wrong. I am simply saying, that is the reality of how I feel. I would not feel a sense of justice in his death. It would just be a death.

Understand this: There will never, ever, be a time when the killing stops. It isn't ever going to happen.

I believe in killing for self-defense. Killing because Jesus' blood upon the cross is not enough to pay for a crime, I do not understand. To say that Jesus' blood is not enough, Gaz, diminishes it. It cheapens the death of your Savior, and the power of his blood to forgive.

Like Christ I will forgive - the penetant. Do you know who Christ forgives? Those who make and keep covenants with him. The penetant who continually strive to improve themselves and sharpen their viewpoints to see through the delusions the world presents to us.

Gaz, is blood atonement a sacrifice?

Yes?

Well, I have a message from God for you. Matthew 9:13 -- But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice...

[_Gazelam]

Are you trying to single handedly convince us that Harris and Dawkins are correct?

Nope, just pointing out that a socially abhorant mindset needs to be stemmed before a moral apathy sweeps our culture. If it takes violence to do so then so be it.

[_asbestosman]

Asbestos,


D&C 132

41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed.
42 If she be not in the new and everlasting covenant, and she be with another man, she has committed adultery.
43 And if her husband be with another woman, and he was under a vow, he hath broken his vow and hath committed adultery.
44 And if she hath not committed adultery, but is innocent and hath not broken her vow, and she knoweth it, and I reveal it unto you, my servant Joseph, then shall you have power, by the power of my Holy Priesthood, to take her and agive her unto him that hath not committed adultery but hath been faithful; for he shall be made ruler over many.


Hard to be exalted without a companion. Adulterors sealings are broken.

Gaz, the verses you quote state that the woman of an adulterer can be given to another man. It does not state that the man cannot ever be sealed again. To get that part, you will have to quote the CHI, but if I understand church policy on this one it is that while second chances at sealing generally aren't given for adultery, the First Presidency can still permit it.

But even assuming you're right and that adulterers cannot be exalted, they can still make it to the Celestial Kingdom. In other words, they can repent of that sin even if they cannot enjoy all the same blessings. They can still live with the fulness of the Father's glory. If adultery were an unpardonable sin, this would not be possible. Thus you have not established that adultery is an unpardonable sin.

Anyhow, while I think you deserve the current mob swarming to condemn you for your insanity, I also think it's counterproductive. I'd much rather have you reconsider, and I don't think we're helping.

[_beastie]

Ironic. The mob who killed Joseph Smith partly due to his sexual behavior would probably agree with gaze on this thread.

[_Jersey Girl]

Ever heard of Sodom and Gommorah? Place was full up with homos, Christ burned them all up.

CFR. I mean it.

[_Gazelam]

Asbestosman,

Sex immorality stands next to murder in the category of personal crimes; it is "most abominable above all sins save it be the shedding of innocent blood or denying the Holy Ghost." (Alma 39:5) Anciently the penalty therefor was death." (Lev. 20:10; Deut. 22:21-29)

In the initial day of judgment, at the Second Coming of our Lord, Christ "will be a swift witness... against the adulterers," and they shall be burned as stubble. (Mal. 3:5; 4:1) Adulterers shall be cast down to hell to suffer the vengeance of eternal fire; and their eventual destiny - after suffering the torments of the damned until the second resurrection - shall be that of the telestial kingdom. (D&C 76:103-106) They shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 6:9-11)

Forgiveness of Adultery is dependant on the light and knowledge a person possesses when the crime is commited. An ignorant heathen is judged by a diferent standard than a temple endowed member of the Kingdom.

Gaz

[_beastie]

So, gaze, do you feel more justified in your loathing of gays due to the fact that the church is aggressively opposing gay marriage?