Cinepro on "The Garden of Eden" madb

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:06 am

My 4th response in the post in question.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:10 am

bcspace wrote:My 4th response in the post in question.

This one?

-After Adam fell, evolution proceeds apace.

So "evolution" proceeds after a full grown man was placed on earth?

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:15 am

Nope. That is part of the fith response. I can't believe you don't see it. I addressed it directly.

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:16 am

So "evolution" proceeds after a full grown man was placed on earth?

Yes. It may or may not include humans (at least on the macro level) depending on what first flesh or first man actually means. He may have been the first to complete the evolutionary process.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:19 am

bcspace wrote:Nope. That is part of the fith response. I can't believe you don't see it. I addressed it directly.

Okay, let me have another go:

-When all was ready, the Lord took a homo sapiens and put a spirit child within (at conception/birth) and placed him in the garden into a state of no death.

????

What does this have to do with "first flesh"? Even if a "spirit child" was placed into homo sapiens, there was "flesh" before that happened.

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:22 am

-When all was ready, the Lord took a homo sapiens and put a spirit child within (at conception/birth) and placed him in the garden into a state of no death.

????

What does this have to do with "first flesh"?

Nothing at all. You are still looking at the 5th response, not the 4th (which is only one sentence long).

Even if a "spirit child" was placed into homo sapiens, there was "flesh" before that happened.

That's correct. But the creation wasn't finished until man was placed in the garden. There are no "no death" constraints on the creative period or process.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:38 am

bcspace wrote:There are no "no death" constraints on the creative period or process.

Still doesn't answer my question. Moses 6:

48 And he said unto them: Because that Adam fell, we are; and by his fall came death; and we are made partakers of misery and woe.

So Neanderthal man doesn't count? He had no spirit?

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:45 am

There are no "no death" constraints on the creative period or process.

Still doesn't answer my question.

I think it does. The lack of details given allows us to think more about the context.

Moses 6:

Quote:
48 And he said unto them: Because that Adam fell, we are; and by his fall came death; and we are made partakers of misery and woe.

So Neanderthal man doesn't count? He had no spirit?

Neanderthal doesn't count because his spirit is not a literal spirit child of God. Nor any homo sapiens prior to Adam. Thus Adam becomes the "first man also" because his spirit is the first spirit child of God to inhabit a physical body on the earth.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:50 am

bcspace wrote:Neanderthal doesn't count because his spirit is not a literal spirit child of God. Nor any homo sapiens prior to Adam. Thus Adam becomes the "first man also" because his spirit is the first spirit child of God to inhabit a physical body on the earth.

Whence, then, does Neanderthal arise? An automaton? A "trial run" for "true man". Do not even animals have spirits, in Mormon doctrine?

What is the fate of Neanderthals?

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:52 am

Whence, then, does Neanderthal arise? An automaton? A "trial run" for "true man".

Part of the evolutionary process or an evolutionary dead end.

Do not even animals have spirits, in Mormon doctrine?

Yes. I specifically indicated that Neanderthals and any preAdam homos sapiens have spirits.

What is the fate of Neanderthals

The same as any nonhuman imho.