Further confusion? Encyclopedia of Mormonism on LDS.ORG

[_The Nehor]

How presumptuous of you.

Perhaps, but if someone comes up to me and tells me that steak tastes like potatoes I will suspect they've never tasted steak.

If someone comes up to me and tells me that their “feelings” are equivalent to tasting steak and its comparison to potatoes (an objectively verifiable experience), I will suspect that they have certain predispositions or biases toward specific religious stimuli that invoke certain emotional responses.

However, I have had some really good steaks that deserved worship.

EDIT: Instead of assuming that they had never tasted steak, I would assume that they had a skewed sense of reality.

As all evidence comes to everyone by means of stimuli I don't see how what you call "feelings" are not valid. They're not "feelings". I wish English had a good word for it. Rapture isn't quite right. Epiphany has some of the right characteristics but lacks others. I also have an involuntary physical response to this experience if that substantiates it.

I prefer to think of it as a broader view of reality but then I'm biased. I do think it is more accurate.

[_Scottie]

LDS Inc announced the Encyclopedia of Mormonism on their website,

The Encyclopedia of Mormonism, now available online in searchable text format, can be an excellent source of information on a wide variety of subjects dealing with the beliefs, teachings, and practices of the Church.

BUT then they added a disclaimer:

(Note: This encyclopedia is a joint product of Brigham Young University and Macmillan Publishing Company and does not necessarily represent the official position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.)

WTF? Ferchristsakes, they announce the Encyclopedia of Mormonism on their website, which in most ventures would indicate an official endorsement of support, but then they say it is not the Encyclopedia of Mormonism?

I guess we know where Mitt got is flip-floppedniss from...

Perhaps it was due to entries like the following that contradict their recent PR attempts to make the FLDS seem as different from them as Buddhism:

http://eom.BYU.edu/index.php/"Fundamentalists"

Wait a second......if it's on LDS.org, how can it NOT be official??? Right, BCSpace???

[_The Nehor]

Wait a second......if it's on LDS.org, how can it NOT be official??? Right, BCSpace???

There is no such thing as official doctrine.

[_Scottie]

How presumptuous of you.

Perhaps, but if someone comes up to me and tells me that steak tastes like potatoes I will suspect they've never tasted steak.

Funny how a good 6 billion people are saying, to use your bad analogy, that steak tastes like potatoes (or at least that is what you are hearing).

[_Scottie]

How presumptuous of you.

Ignore the hypocrite. Ask this single Mormon male how old he is and why he has not lived the gospel fully by getting married.

Stop being an ass, Boaz.

[_Scottie]

You seem to be suggesting the reason for so much inaccurate information and false teachings coming from the prophets and leaders of your church is because they are not living the gospel.

OK then.

~dancer~

It's certainly possible. However, if I don't know truth then it's my fault. I'm responsible for me. If I have the Holy Ghost then my leaders being off base will affect me not at all.

So then, who are the leaders responsible for?

[_Mad Viking]

How presumptuous of you.

Perhaps, but if someone comes up to me and tells me that steak tastes like potatoes I will suspect they've never tasted steak.

If someone comes up to me and tells me that their “feelings” are equivalent to tasting steak and its comparison to potatoes (an objectively verifiable experience), I will suspect that they have certain predispositions or biases toward specific religious stimuli that invoke certain emotional responses.

However, I have had some really good steaks that deserved worship.

EDIT: Instead of assuming that they had never tasted steak, I would assume that they had a skewed sense of reality.

As all evidence comes to everyone by means of stimuli I don't see how what you call "feelings" are not valid. They're not "feelings". I wish English had a good word for it. Rapture isn't quite right. Epiphany has some of the right characteristics but lacks others. I also have an involuntary physical response to this experience if that substantiates it.

I prefer to think of it as a broader view of reality but then I'm biased. I do think it is more accurate.

Not all stimuli is designed to evoke an emotional response. Furthermore, receiving evidence does not mandate that it is subject evidence.

What you are describing is simply feelings. You can play a semantical game if you want, but at the core, what we are talking about is feelings.

The fact that you have an involuntary physical response does not substantiate it. It simply means that you are exhibiting the response for which that stimuli was designed. Some of it is even self induced.

Your experience is had by others of other religions, but they interpret it much differently than you do. Hence, it is subjective.

[_The Nehor]

Hence, it is subjective.

Of course it is. If I could objectively prove it I might have done so by now. Part an ocean maybe or something. The invitation of my faith has always been to come and try it not striking people with leprosy and/or lightning to show our power (as fun as that might be).

[_The Nehor]

So then, who are the leaders responsible for?

Themselves and to fulfill their duties to the best of their ability. Just like everyone else.

[_The Nehor]

How presumptuous of you.

Perhaps, but if someone comes up to me and tells me that steak tastes like potatoes I will suspect they've never tasted steak.

Funny how a good 6 billion people are saying, to use your bad analogy, that steak tastes like potatoes (or at least that is what you are hearing).

I admit the analogy was bad. Weird dreams last night all night. Not at the top of my game.

I do hope though that you're not suggesting that I should base my understanding of truth on what the majority of the world believes. I've also shared in the past that I have also had experiences that can't be classified (even by critics) as feelings. They can characterize me as insane and do regularly and often but that's a different story. I'm either mad or right. I'm gonna go with the latter.