DEATH BY BLOOD ATONEMENT FOR ALL LIBERAL APOSTATES!

[_GoodK]

I don't think one can be an apostate if one is truly conservative......

The left-wing exists only because of conservative principles like freedom of speech ("opposition in all things").

(This would be an appropriate place to vomit)

[_Mad Viking]

I don't think one can be an apostate if one is truly conservative......

The left-wing exists only because of conservative principles like freedom of speech ("opposition in all things").

A) Freedom of speech is a conservative principle.
B) Apostates cannot truly be conservative.
C) Freedom of speech is not an apostate principle.

Really? I think you are confused about who is opposed to freedom of speech.

Why are conservatives always trying to limit one of their own principles?

[_The Nehor]

Why are conservatives always trying to limit one of their own principles?

Both sides of the political spectrum try to limit free speech, specifically speech opposed to them.

[_Mad Viking]

Why are conservatives always trying to limit one of their own principles?

Both sides of the political spectrum try to limit free speech, specifically speech opposed to them.

I agree.

However, since freedom of speech is not a left-wing principle (according to bcspace) it should come as no surprise that they try to limit it. But any attempt to limit free speech on the part of conservatives, should come as a great surprise since it is a conservative principle (according to bcspace). This would suggest that either they are hypocrites, or freedom of speech really isn't a conservative principle as bcspace suggests.

[_The Nehor]

Why are conservatives always trying to limit one of their own principles?

Both sides of the political spectrum try to limit free speech, specifically speech opposed to them.

I agree.

However, since freedom of speech is not a left-wing principle (according to bcspace) it should come as no surprise that they try to limit it. But any attempt to limit free speech on the part of conservatives, should come as a great surprise since it is a conservative principle (according to bcspace). This would suggest that either they are hypocrites, or freedom of speech really isn't a conservative principle as bcspace suggests.

In my experience the Left tends to trumpet support of Free Speech more then the Right. Both try to suppress the other. The Left tend to label it as 'hate speech' to bring it down. The Right tends to appeal to the people to support their suppression. Neither side has done much to destroy Free Speech in the general sense though they have manipulated it so that some forms of speech are unacceptable. Try writing about how the gay lifestyle is unhealthy and be condemned. On the other hand try writing about how the U.S. has lost all moral authority due to our use of torture and our use of offensive (defensive/preemptive) war and see condemnation from others.

[_Ren]

Try writing about how the gay lifestyle is unhealthy and be condemned. On the other hand try writing about how the U.S. has lost all moral authority due to our use of torture and our use of offensive (defensive/preemptive) war and see condemnation from others.

...ermm - I think you'd better distinguish here between condemning 'what' somebody says, and declaring that somebody shouldn't be 'allowed' to say that.

I can be for free speech, and yet condemn what you say just fine.

[_Thama]

Try writing about how the gay lifestyle is unhealthy and be condemned. On the other hand try writing about how the U.S. has lost all moral authority due to our use of torture and our use of offensive (defensive/preemptive) war and see condemnation from others.

...ermm - I think you'd better distinguish here between condemning 'what' somebody says, and declaring that somebody shouldn't be 'allowed' to say that.

I can be for free speech, and yet condemn what you say just fine.

And here, you hit upon the crux of the matter.

The Left is for legalized free speech, but will loudly condemn what you say when it disagrees. Hell, they might even try to sue you or boycott your employer, if they are particularly outraged.

The Right will simply pass (as quietly as possible) legislation allowing government surveillance on your speech, and give government organizations power to restrict your movement or even imprison you based on that speech... made possible simply by labeling you an "enemy combatant".

Free speech includes the freedom to criticize the idiocy found in other people's speech. It doesn't include silencing speech thought to be unfavorable to the current power structure.

[_The Nehor]

And here, you hit upon the crux of the matter.

The Left is for legalized free speech, but will loudly condemn what you say when it disagrees. Hell, they might even try to sue you or boycott your employer, if they are particularly outraged.

The Right will simply pass (as quietly as possible) legislation allowing government surveillance on your speech, and give government organizations power to restrict your movement or even imprison you based on that speech... made possible simply by labeling you an "enemy combatant".

Free speech includes the freedom to criticize the idiocy found in other people's speech. It doesn't include silencing speech thought to be unfavorable to the current power structure.

I don't think the Left is that innocent. While I agree that what the Right is doing is reprehensible the Left's campaign against Hate Speech (the definition of which is broadening) is just as dangerous and it's working it's way into the legal system too.

[_bcspace]

Why are conservatives always trying to limit one of their own principles?

Both sides of the political spectrum try to limit free speech, specifically speech opposed to them.

I don't think so.

[_bcspace]

I don't think one can be an apostate if one is truly conservative......

The left-wing exists only because of conservative principles like freedom of speech ("opposition in all things").

(This would be an appropriate place to vomit)

Because someone is left-wing? I agree. It's a sad and horrifiying situation.