DEATH BY BLOOD ATONEMENT FOR ALL LIBERAL APOSTATES!

[_antishock8]

How does it feel, Shock, to be mentally trapped at 16 with no way out?

[_The Nehor]

Just to let you know Nehor, those poor, abused terrorists mercenaries pictured in Hally's post would gladly saw the head off of my infant grandson without a second thought for being the infidel dog that he is, and for being the grandson of the infidel dog I am.

If I saw who they really were? Care to substantiate that with some scriptural references?

I'll take as mine Matt 7:16.

You need me to substantiate that all people on Earth are children of our God and that they dwelled in his presence and possessed glory before the world was using scriptural references? Coggins, if you know this little you need to put down what you're reading and get into the scriptures.

Yeah, your scripture shows that you can tell a tree by it's fruit. I believe in the parable that God reserved the right to burn the tares. He did not delegate it to us. You're also using hyperbole and dehumanizing people. How do you know those people are terrorists? How do you know they can murder without a thought? You don't. You see them as barbarians beyond the dignity of being seen as human. Why?

[_antishock8]

[Guest]

You need me to substantiate that all people on Earth are children of our God and that they dwelled in his presence and possessed glory before the world was using scriptural references?

No, I need you to doctrinally substantiate the following claim:

They are Children of God who if you saw in their true form you would be tempted to bow down and worship.[/i]

What is our "true form" Nehor? And what is, perhaps more importantly, our true nature, at a given point in time?

Yeah, your scripture shows that you can tell a tree by it's fruit. I believe in the parable that God reserved the right to burn the tares. He did not delegate it to us. You're also using hyperbole and dehumanizing people. How do you know those people are terrorists? How do you know they can murder without a thought? You don't. You see them as barbarians beyond the dignity of being seen as human. Why?

This is callow, adolescentized gobbledigook, and I'm not going to respond to it because it will set me off if I do.

As you're apparently having one of your episodes tonight Nehor, I'll let it go for now.

[_moksha]

Do you understand who these people are, Hally?

Children of God who if you saw in their true form you would be tempted to bow down and worship.

Hear, Hear!!! Nehor is absolutely right.

No need to let Conservatism erode your Humanity.

[_Droopy]

I am actually. Yet what did his tactics accomplish? Nothing except for the fallout of his abuse of governmental power. Please tell me you are not going to try to show that McCarthy saved the western world from anything. The Cold War did little but cost us a fortune and bankrupt the Soviet Union. That, and give the world a ton of bastards running tinpot dictatorships throughout the world and we put them there.

This incoherent rant is below you Nehor. Well below.

[_Hally McIlrath]

Try again, and this time, let's be serious, OK?

My two examples met in every way your stipulations as listed here:

As a side note, I'd like you to provide one, single, solitary example of anything remotely resembling what reasonable people would term "torture' being applied by U.S. personal on terrorists in the custody of the military.

They were:

1. terrorists.
2. in U.S. Military custody.
3. being tortured according to the definition of what reasonable people (not you) would define as torture.

By the way, thank Elvis they even took pictures OF THAT TORTURE, otherwise, you, Droopy, would deny it ever happened, no matter how many credible witnesses came forward to attest to its truth.

Do you understand who these people are, Hally?

Do YOU understand that the U.S military let the large majority of these same people free, because they had not one, single, solitary shred of evidence to prove they were anything other than innocent civilians?

Oh, and by the way, what, precisely, does your second photo show (I'd be much more impressed with some actual facts and evidence, than with images - I'm not a Gen Xer.

Oh, you didn't like that one? It wasn't explicit enough, with the blood and the terror and pain on the "terrorist's" face? I notice you didn't mention the Lindy England one at all. Conveniently forgot to, eh? Well, here are a few more that might be slightly more intelligible, even for you. And by the way, the reason I'm using pictures is that ANY textual evidence I will present will just be dismissed summarily by you, and YOU know it. Also, I am operating under the assumption that sexual humiliation and torture IS IN FACT torture, which it sounds like, you do not agree.

Here's a nice collage:


Here's some more of that sexually non-humiliating, non-torture:


Here, a soldier's hand is raised in the act of beating a bound and blindfolded prisoner:


Do you seriously want me to go on? Because I can. Ooooh, yes, I can.

Answer me just one question, Droopy. If even ONE of our civilians, or military personnel (not 'personal' as you wrote it) were treated in this manner, would you call it torture? Would you?

[_antishock8]

Hally,

Would you be kind enough to explain to the board who, in fact, was providing guidance to these soldiers in an official capacity? In fact, you may want to start with Donald Rumsfeld's memo detailing interrogation tactics, and then provide a hierarchical overview of the interrogation of US detainees in Abu G.

[_Hally McIlrath]

Hally,

Would you be kind enough to explain to the board who, in fact, was providing guidance to these soldiers in an official capacity? In fact, you may want to start with Donald Rumsfeld's memo detailing interrogation tactics, and then provide a hierarchical overview of the interrogation of US detainees in Abu G.

Why don't we just start with Seymour Hersh's interview of Antonio Taguba, retired Army Major General in service for over thirty years:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/06/25/070625fa_fact_hersh

[_antishock8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taguba_Report

This is interesting, from the report:

The Taguba Report also found "credible" evidence of detainees being burned with phosphoric liquid, subject to aggravated assault, threatened with dogs, and an instance of a detainee who was sodomized with an object.