Hill Cumorah

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antishock8 wrote:Ok. So Mr. Peterson unequivocally believes the Hill Cumorah, as described in the Book of Mormon is the same one located in upstate New York, as described by his church.

I believe that the plates were buried in the New York hill, as described by canonical texts of my church.

Your false either/or wastes your time and mine.

There is absolutely no official revelation stating that the hill of the last battles is located in what is today upstate New York. Period.
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Wheat. I would like an apology if that's ok. There have been times where I've owned up to being wrong; can you do the same?
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antishock8 wrote:There have been times where I've owned up to being wrong

Not nearly as often as you've needed to.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
antishock8 wrote:There have been times where I've owned up to being wrong

Not nearly as often as you've needed to.


Oh. Fatass McFatpants gets involved. What an amazing contribution to this thread you make, oh Pasty One. *rolling eyes* Please focus, some of us here are trying to get past the ad homs and actually learn something about the other.

You're fat.
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antishock8 wrote:Oh. Fatass McFatpants gets involved. What an amazing contribution to this thread you make, oh Pasty One. *rolling eyes* Please focus, some of us here are trying to get past the ad homs and actually learn something about the other.

You're fat.

LOL. I'm so ashamed that I haven't risen to your level of contribution.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
antishock8 wrote:There have been times where I've owned up to being wrong

Not nearly as often as you've needed to.

I suppose that I should maybe include smiley faces for the folks here who might need them.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
antishock8 wrote:Ok. So Mr. Peterson unequivocally believes the Hill Cumorah, as described in the Book of Mormon is the same one located in upstate New York, as described by his church.

I believe that the plates were buried in the New York hill, as described by canonical texts of my church.

Your false either/or wastes your time and mine.

There is absolutely no official revelation stating that the hill of the last battles is located in what is today upstate New York. Period.


Where do you think the final battle with millions of people took place?

If Mesoamerica, how do you think the plates arrived in the NY HC?

:-)

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truth dancer wrote:Where do you think the final battle with millions of people took place?

I find the arguments of David Palmer and John Sorenson and others persuasive that it was probably in the vicinity of Veracruz.

truth dancer wrote:If Mesoamerica, how do you think the plates arrived in the NY HC?

Moroni evidently had roughly thirty-five years after the final Nephite battle in which to take the plates wherever he needed to take them. And, even if one discounts the idea of divine guidance, he had powerful incentive to head northward to escape from the Lamanites (who would have loved to capture both the plates and the son of the last Nephite miitary commander). In his book An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon, John Sorenson briefly mentions the story of a shipwrecked early-seventeenth-century English sailor who, if I'm not mistaken, traveled alone from Guatemala to what is essentially upstate New York under conditions that probably weren't terribly different -- in terms of landscape, potentially hostile encounters, and the like -- from what Moroni would have faced in the early fifth century.
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There is absolutely no official revelation stating that the hill of the last battles is located in what is today upstate New York. Period.


See? God couldn't care less what his prophets and apostles actually teach church members across the pulpit, while functioning in their roles as prophets and apostles, speaking in the name of Jesus Christ. It ain't "doctrine" and it, evidently, ain't "revelation".

Only silly fundamentalists actually expect God to accurately INSPIRE his leaders to teach correct principles, after all. I mean, sure, they probably pray for that inspiration and guidance while putting together their talks and delivering it, but hey, don't be a fundamentalist and think that actually means something.
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beastie wrote:See? God couldn't care less what his prophets and apostles actually teach church members across the pulpit, while functioning in their roles as prophets and apostles, speaking in the name of Jesus Christ. Only silly fundamentalists actually expect God to accurately INSPIRE his leaders to teach correct principles, after all. I mean, sure, they probably pray for that inspiration and guidance while putting together their talks and delivering it, but hey, don't be a fundamentalist and think that actually means something.

See how pointless and exasperating it would be to attempt sustained and meaningful dialogue with you?

I said absolutely nothing of the sort. It's a complete non sequitur from what I said.

Do you regard the day as lost if you don't manage to post at least twenty separate tendentious caricatures?
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