Will John Dehlin be the next example?

Post by **_Boaz & Lidia** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:56 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckj_pdNMwhs

Has he gone too far by attaching his LDS name and cause to a place where ex'd Mormon homosexuals can publicly rail against LDS policy concerning homosexuals?

Not that I really care either way, just doing my part :)

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:59 am

Perhaps we could call a konklave and hex him with a grease spot prophecy like we did to Congress over a century ago....

Post by **_beastie** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:33 pm

Wow. That dude has cojones.

He probably has gone too far. I remember the case of rpcman, who used to run a great website and hosted 2think, If I recall correctly. He was openly apostate for years, and the church didn't take action against him until he opposed their actions in CA in regards to prop (whatever, don't remember the number, the first proposition regarding gay marriage). When he openly opposed the church in regards to that one issue, they ex'd him for apostasy. So I think the church's tolerance for supporting gays in any way is pretty low.

Post by **_Dr. Shades** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:53 pm

Boaz & Lidia wrote:Has he gone too far by attaching his LDS name and cause to a place where ex'd Mormon homosexuals can publicly rail against LDS policy concerning homosexuals?

Yes. Dead man walking. (Yet another reason to remain anonymous, if you still want to remain a member.)

bcspace wrote:Perhaps we could call a konklave and hex him with a grease spot prophecy like we did to Congress over a century ago....

And we all know how well that worked. . .

beastie wrote:I remember the case of rpcman, who used to run a great website and hosted 2think, If I recall correctly. He was openly apostate for years, and the church didn't take action against him until he opposed their actions in CA in regards to prop (whatever, don't remember the number, the first proposition regarding gay marriage). When he openly opposed the church in regards to that one issue, they ex'd him for apostasy. So I think the church's tolerance for supporting gays in any way is pretty low.

I hope you don't mind, but my own memory is different in that regard. I strongly believe that it was only when he put up a page critiquing the "Proclamation on the Family" that (according to rumor) the guy who worked on it got pissed off, hunted down his address, and had his Stake President excommunicate him.

Post by **_beastie** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:56 pm

I hope you don't mind, but my own memory is different in that regard. I strongly believe that it was only when he put up a page critiquing the "Proclamation on the Family" that (according to rumor) the guy who worked on it got pissed off, hunted down his address, and had his Stake President excommunicate him.

I hadn't heard that rumor. You mean the guy who worked on the Proclamation to the Family hunted him down?

Post by **_Trevor** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:07 pm

I really hope they do not go after John Dehlin. He has done a lot of good, and arguably managed to help a few people stay in the LDS Church when they might otherwise have left. He also tries to be respectful in his disagreement with the Church on their opposition to gay marriage. I think the Church leaders would really shoot themselves in the foot were they to pursue him. There are quite a few people who would be very upset about that.

Post by **_beastie** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:35 pm

I wonder if there's an ideological clash/struggle within the top leaders on how to handle these fringie members.

I listened to the interview while putzing around with my website stuff - one part that sounded very familiar was her reaction to the sexually intrusive questions they asked her during her (If I recall correctly) disfellowshipment. What positions was she in? What was she thinking about right before sex? WTH????

This is a recurring topic on RFM - unnecessarily intrusive, arguably prurient questions asked during worthiness interviews. These questions seem to be addressed more towards females than males.

Post by **_Phaedrus Ut** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:11 pm

John Dehlin is like many of my LDS friends. Grew up in Utah believing in the "seminary" version of Mormonism. Their secular education put many issues of their Mormonism in question but they've mostly put them "on the shelf". They don't openly look for reasons to disbelieve but they're openly critical of the antiquated LDS beliefs of history, race, and gender.

When John was made director of Sunstone I thought that was a wise choice of a middle of the road peacemaker so to speak. Anyone have a idea why he left so quickly?

Phaedrus

Post by **_Dr. Shades** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:22 pm

beastie wrote:I hadn't heard that rumor. You mean the guy who worked on the Proclamation to the Family hunted him down?

Yes; all that came straight from rpcman himself. How he knew who it was that tracked him down, I have no idea.

PhaedrusUT wrote:Anyone have a idea why he left so quickly?

He left? Left where/what?

Post by **_Boaz & Lidia** » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:36 pm

Perhaps he may be exercising the leniency he feels he has by being the brother of the CIO of LDS Inc?