Book of Mormon apologetic of last resort?

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Re: Book of Mormon apologetic of last resort?

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EAllusion wrote:If I was enterprising, I'd just compile a 2000-3000 of Pahoran's vicious insults in quotes and post them. Instead, I'll probably just occasionally link an example of him being out of line. Still, the one that got me the most was accusing John Corrill of projecting pedophile fantasies.


Fixed your post :P
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dartagnan wrote:LOL... Ritnergate...

Almost forgot about that one. Dan had a dramatic meltdown and told everyone at FAIR I was endangering the inheritance of his children. The issue of his ongoing libel against Ritner was not up for discussion. Not at FAIR anyway. Instead I was the bad guy. Bokovoy got in on the action too and started attacking me as a diversion.


Oh, yes. It was a mightily ugly affair.

Yes, there are plenty of incidents that might explain Dan's distate for me, but unfortunately, the reasons he gives don't seem to be the most likely explanations. As long as he rubs elbows with people like Russel "your wife is a whore" McGregor, John "Metcalfe swindled a bereaved widow" Tvetdnes, and Bill "you're Butthead" Hamblin, he is really in no position to be complaining about my "unpleasant attitude."


What, in the end, do you think his actual reason is? That he feels "outmatched"?
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What, in the end, do you think his actual reason is? That he feels "outmatched"?


No. I just think he is doing what is expected of him. I'm the apostate. Good Mormons don't interact with that group.
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It's not very believable to claim that I refuse to interact with apostate Mormons when . . . umm, I'm kind of, ya know, interacting with perhaps a score of them on this very board?

Something at least superficially plausible might be a bit more convincing.

Mister Scratch wrote:What, in the end, do you think his actual reason is? That he feels "outmatched"?

Yeah. That's it. That's gotta be it.

Robert Spencer?

Child's play compared with Kevin Graham.

Yeah. That's it.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:It's not very believable to claim that I refuse to interact with apostate Mormons when . . . umm, I'm kind of, ya know, interacting with perhaps a score of them on this very board?

Something at least superficially plausible might be a bit more convincing.


How about the fact that KG is a former Mopologist?

Mister Scratch wrote:What, in the end, do you think his actual reason is? That he feels "outmatched"?

Yeah. That's it. That's gotta be it.

Robert Spencer?

Child's play compared with Kevin Graham.

Yeah. That's it.


Then what is the reason? In your Profile, you state that your interest is "truth." Multiple times on this board I have seen you assert how much you favor "accuracy." Why are you falling back on vagueness and secrecy over this issue? Why not just state what your problem is with Kevin?
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It's not very believable to claim that I refuse to interact with apostate Mormons when . . . umm, I'm kind of, ya know, interacting with perhaps a score of them on this very board?

Come on Dan, don't kid yourself. You're here because your name is regularly being spat upon and you feel the need to defend yourself. That's it. And I don't blame you. But don't pretend you're here because you actually like the company. You didn't wake up one morning and say, "Hey, I think I'll start interacting with apostates." We've had to damn near beg you to stay around here but you always make it clear you find the place disgusting,- because of the company- even though we have already shown this to be a paradise compared to the dirt thrown about at MADB.

All I know is that you will have to come up with something better if you really want to convince anyone you won't talk with me because of my "attitude." That is your reason isn't it? Our documented history simply won't support this, no matter what supporting witnesses you call from the MADB moderator staff. I know you're not "afraid" of me in any real sense. But I do know I have raised issues that you have not been able to adequately address, and I think you're just not willing to take the time needed to respond to them.

But that has been your method for many years with just about everyone. You don't debate much of anything. You stick to pithy, back handed remarks and witty commentary. That's your MO. Whenever a debate is called for, you inform everyone that you haven't the time for that because you're an important scholar who is always heading off to Egypt or whatever.
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dartagnan wrote:All I know is that you will have to come up with something better if you really want to convince anyone you won't talk with me because of my "attitude."

I don't feel the need to come up with anything at all to "convince" somebody as to why I won't interact with you. I don't owe anybody an explanation of my choice -- a choice that I'm entirely free to make, on my own. And (sorry) neither you nor anybody else on this or any board has a right to demand that I interact with any particular poster.

dartagnan wrote:Whenever a debate is called for, you inform everyone that you haven't the time for that because you're an important scholar who is always heading off to Egypt or whatever.

Most of what I publish on Mormonism is part of an on-going debate -- the only Mormon-related debate that I really care about -- with other published authors. Sorry. That isn't meant to offend. It's just true.

Still, as my broadcast and public debates with James White and Robert Spencer and Bill McKeever demonstrate, I absolutely refuse to debate anybody. The thought simply terrifies me.

Have a great night, Kevin.
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dartagnan wrote: But I do know I have raised issues that you have not been able to adequately address, and I think you're just not willing to take the time needed to respond to them.


Can you clarify what you're talking about here, Kevin? Is it Mormon, or Islamic issues?
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Daniel Peterson wrote:I expect that at least a few here will be able to recognize that intellectual and purely intellectual are not synonyms.


Oh, for “F”'s sake. This is what Mormonism has finally come to...
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dartagnan wrote:
It's not very believable to claim that I refuse to interact with apostate Mormons when . . . umm, I'm kind of, ya know, interacting with perhaps a score of them on this very board?

Come on Dan, don't kid yourself. You're here because your name is regularly being spat upon and you feel the need to defend yourself. That's it. And I don't blame you. But don't pretend you're here because you actually like the company. You didn't wake up one morning and say, "Hey, I think I'll start interacting with apostates." We've had to damn near beg you to stay around here but you always make it clear you find the place disgusting,- because of the company- even though we have already shown this to be a paradise compared to the dirt thrown about at MADB.

All I know is that you will have to come up with something better if you really want to convince anyone you won't talk with me because of my "attitude." That is your reason isn't it? Our documented history simply won't support this, no matter what supporting witnesses you call from the MADB moderator staff. I know you're not "afraid" of me in any real sense. But I do know I have raised issues that you have not been able to adequately address, and I think you're just not willing to take the time needed to respond to them.

But that has been your method for many years with just about everyone. You don't debate much of anything. You stick to pithy, back handed remarks and witty commentary. That's your MO. Whenever a debate is called for, you inform everyone that you haven't the time for that because you're an important scholar who is always heading off to Egypt or whatever.


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