antishock8 wrote:Why would you encourage someone to stay within their race when it comes to marriage? I'm not sure why that would add any other kind of stressor that would make any harder than it already is. If anything, sometimes duress from outsiders can bond people, and in this case a marriage stands to benefit from having to come together to weather the kind of bigotry we're discussing.
Two statements:
1. I'm not sure why that would add any other kind of stressor that would make any harder than it already is. 2. If anything, sometimes duress from outsiders can bond people, and in this case a marriage stands to benefit from having to come together to weather the kind of bigotry we're discussing.
Observation: This may come as a shock to you but duress and persecution are usually not seen as a good thing for marital stability.
Conclusion: You need more shock therapy.
Well, here in NC there are many mixed couples. I can tell you from the stories shared that many of the people that get into mixed marriages are far happier than they have been with people of their own race. On a few occasions, I've talked with white women who are married to black men and they say that they're treated better than they were treated with white men. So, it doesn't have to be a stressor. Being in a mixed marriage or relationship can be life-enhancing...
Regardless, people under duress can bond, or people under duress can fracture. It's really up to the people how they resond to external pressure. I suppose Emma and Mr. Smith could provide you with a good example of a marriage under duress that endures.
Would you marry a black woman? How would you feel like members of your church would perceive you and your relationship? Do you think it would be a non-issue, or would there be social stresses involved?
1. I'm not sure why that would add any other kind of stressor that would make any harder than it already is. 2. If anything, sometimes duress from outsiders can bond people, and in this case a marriage stands to benefit from having to come together to weather the kind of bigotry we're discussing.
Observation: This may come as a shock to you but duress and persecution are usually not seen as a good thing for marital stability.
Conclusion: You need more shock therapy.
Well, here in NC there are many mixed couples. I can tell you from the stories shared that many of the people that get into mixed marriages are far happier than they have been with people of their own race. On a few occasions, I've talked with white women who are married to black men and they say that they're treated better than they were treated with white men. So, it doesn't have to be a stressor. Being in a mixed marriage or relationship can be life-enhancing...
Regardless, people under duress can bond, or people under duress can fracture. It's really up to the people how they resond to external pressure. I suppose Emma and Mr. Smith could provide you with a good example of a marriage under duress that endures.
Would you marry a black woman? How would you feel like members of your church would perceive you and your relationship? Do you think it would be a non-issue, or would there be social stresses involved?
Yes, I could marry a black woman. I dated one for quite a while a few years back. There were minor social stresses particularly with some of her family. We broke up amicably when we realized it wouldn't work (and no, race wasn't the reason).
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Does anyone know if the LDS church still teaches that God marks less righteous types with dark skin? I'm kind of wondering if the Curse of Cain has gone the way of "that's not doctrine" doctrine...
Does anyone know at what point we could expect shock's IQ to rise out of the single digit range?
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Droopy wrote:Does anyone know if the LDS church still teaches that God marks less righteous types with dark skin? I'm kind of wondering if the Curse of Cain has gone the way of "that's not doctrine" doctrine...
Does anyone know at what point we could expect shock's IQ to rise out of the single digit range?
Well, does it still teach that God curses less righteous types with dark skin?
Droopy wrote:Does anyone know if the LDS church still teaches that God marks less righteous types with dark skin? I'm kind of wondering if the Curse of Cain has gone the way of "that's not doctrine" doctrine...
Does anyone know at what point we could expect shock's IQ to rise out of the single digit range?
Well, does it still teach that God curses less righteous types with dark skin?
You have white skin right? Then that theory is now disproven. No, not taught either.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
"From the dispensation of Adam until the dispensation of the fulness of times, there has been a group of people who have not been allowed to hold the priesthood of God. The scriptural basis for this policy is Abraham 1:21–27." ("Doctrines and Covenants," Student Manual, Religion 324 and 325, 2001, p.364)
I suppose what I'm getting at is this: Is the above example of racist doctrine being purged from all Mormon lesson manuals, sermons, and media? Has there been any sort of coordinated effort to expunge and repudiate the Mormon church's racist history and doctrines?
antishock8 wrote: Has there been any sort of coordinated effort to expunge and repudiate the Mormon church's racist history and doctrines?
Absolutely. It is called "deny it ever happened."
Elder Alexander B. Morrison, “‘No More Strangers’,” Ensign, Sep 2000
"How grateful I am that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has from its beginnings stood strongly against racism in any of its malignant manifestations."
Does anyone know if the LDS church still teaches that God marks less righteous types with dark skin?
It does (Lamanites/scriptural). The interesting thing is that the scriptures do not say that dark skin was the curse in the case of Negroes (dark skin being an evironmental effect - Moses 7:8). The curse was not being able to hold the priesthood (Abraham 1). Dark skin was simply a possible identifying factor.
One would think it has distanced itself from the racial issue,
Why?
but after the revealing bit of bigotry today
The Church? Where?
one must assume the LDS church is hung up on the color of one's skin?
antishock8 wrote: Has there been any sort of coordinated effort to expunge and repudiate the Mormon church's racist history and doctrines?
Absolutely. It is called "deny it ever happened."
Elder Alexander B. Morrison, “‘No More Strangers’,” Ensign, Sep 2000
"How grateful I am that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has from its beginnings stood strongly against racism in any of its malignant manifestations."
That's astounding considering the well-documentated sermons from most prophets and apostles.
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BC,
Given the vast amount of quotable material on Mormon racism, why would you say the LDS church was never hung up on the color of one's skin? Hell, my parents made me take down a poster of Magic Johnson and quoted LDS doctrine to justify it. So....?