Curse of Cain

[_The Nehor]

Absolutely. It is called "deny it ever happened."


Elder Alexander B. Morrison, “‘No More Strangers’,” Ensign, Sep 2000

"How grateful I am that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has from its beginnings stood strongly against racism in any of its malignant manifestations."

That's astounding considering the well-documentated sermons from most prophets and apostles.

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BC,

Given the vast amount of quotable material on Mormon racism, why would you say the LDS church was never hung up on the color of one's skin? Hell, my parents made me take down a poster of Magic Johnson and quoted LDS doctrine to justify it. So....?

It is easy to be astounded when you've read about ten sentences from the Journal of Discourses without reading the whole thing. The ignorant are easily astounded as their presumptions are usually many and ill-founded.

[_antishock8]

It is easy to be astounded when you've read about ten sentences from the Journal of Discourses without reading the whole thing. The ignorant are easily astounded as their presumptions are usually many and ill-founded.

That's funny. I used to own the hard copies. I read all 26 volumes when I came back from my mission. Please stick to the topic, and avoid the personal insults.

The Internet Mormon's M.O.:

1) Declare anti-Mormons are rude, then act rudely.

2) Declare anti-Mormons have no life, then spend life on anti-Mormon boards.

3) Declare anti-Mormons are stupid, then believe in Mormonism.

4) Ignore fellow Mormons' bad behavior, then point out all perceived slights against self or other Mormons.

5) Stomp foot, and exit in a huff. Come back. Repeat when embarrassed.

6) Ignore logic or doctrinal issues and engage in ad hom and red herrings. Get mad if someone follows suit.

[_The Nehor]

It is easy to be astounded when you've read about ten sentences from the Journal of Discourses without reading the whole thing. The ignorant are easily astounded as their presumptions are usually many and ill-founded.

That's funny. I used to own the hard copies. I read all 26 volumes when I came back from my mission. Please stick to the topic, and avoid the personal insults.

The Internet Mormon's M.O.:

1) Declare anti-Mormons are rude, then act rudely.

2) Declare anti-Mormons have no life, then spend life on anti-Mormon boards.

3) Declare anti-Mormons are stupid, then believe in Mormonism.

4) Ignore fellow Mormons' bad behavior, then point out all perceived slights against self or other Mormons.

5) Stomp foot, and exit in a huff. Come back. Repeat when embarrassed.

6) Ignore logic or doctrinal issues and engage in ad hom and red herrings. Get mad if someone follows suit.

A slight correction, I called you ignorant, not stupid. I stand by my assessment and don't believe that you read them.

[_bcspace]

BC,

Given the vast amount of quotable material on Mormon racism, why would you say the LDS church was never hung up on the color of one's skin? Hell, my parents made me take down a poster of Magic Johnson and quoted LDS doctrine to justify it. So....?

It is easy to be astounded when you've read about ten sentences from the Journal of Discourses without reading the whole thing. The ignorant are easily astounded as their presumptions are usually many and ill-founded.

When speaking about "the Church", as is the case here, if you don't have a vast amount of quotable doctrinal material, then the claim is invalid and intellectually dishonest.

[_Pokatator]

It is easy to be astounded when you've read about ten sentences from the Journal of Discourses without reading the whole thing. The ignorant are easily astounded as their presumptions are usually many and ill-founded.

"Ten sentences" or not, I was taught that in church in the sixties. Also I was taught that each black person had a very special talent that was away above average and it was up to that individual black person to use it for good or for bad. My parents and grandparents used Sammy Davis, Jr. as one good example said most of the rest used their special talent for criminal activities. Very racist attitude.

I pretty much believed my parents were right until the 4th grade. My 4th grade was in 1962 in the beginning of the civil rights movement. I had really a intelligent male teacher from Texas that demonstrated in various ways the stupidity of racism and prejudice. I am forever grateful for him, his name is Fred Miller. I have never seen him or known of him since 1962.

This education I got was the first time I realized in my life that my parents and grand parents weren't right about everything. I attribute this one instance and time of my life as instrumental in learning to think in a different way and on my own. Though it took years and years later to get out of the Mormon bondage, I don't think that I ever would have if I hadn't began at an early age understanding that what my parents, grandparents and church leaders were teaching was not always correct. In defense of my parents and grandparents they only parroted what they were taught by the church.

In 1978, when the ban was lifted my grandfather nearly left the church and he didn't attend for well over a year. He finally went back but in his heart I know he was still racist. It has been many years ago my grandparents passed but even today my parents are very much against mixed marriage, no matter what "ten sentences" are told them by the brethren today that is was never taught or wasn't doctrine.

I think Nehor you need to go back and reread for the first time the "ten sentences" you think are out of context.

[_The Nehor]

I think Nehor you need to go back and reread for the first time the "ten sentences" you think are out of context.

I'll do you one better. I'm reading the whole JoD though it will obviously take a while to complete.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

It is easy to be astounded when you've read about ten sentences from the Journal of Discourses without reading the whole thing. The ignorant are easily astounded as their presumptions are usually many and ill-founded.

You don't need to read the entire Journal of Discourses to understand what ten sentences mean. The church does it all the time in their manuals, take snippets of a talk and quote a few sentences in a lesson. When John Taylor said Negroes exist on Earth so the devil can have representation, how does reading the rest of the Journal of Discourses make that not racist?

[_bcspace]

The church does it all the time in their manuals, take snippets of a talk and quote a few sentences in a lesson.

In other words, it takes what it doctrinal and leaves out what is not. So?

[_antishock8]

Well, much to The Nehor's chagrin, if HE had actually read all 26 volumes like I did, he would know there is more than ten sentences that specifically addresses this issue. Regardless, he's once again not discussing the topic, but derailing it by delving into ad hom and red herrings.

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BC,

Has there been an official proclamation on the protocol for official doctrine, or am I to take the newsroom's opinion on the matter as gospel? Ironically enough, the link provided as a references references the Journal of Dicourses as a source for doctrinal issues.

Regardless, would you accept the Journal of Discourses as a for source doctrinal material?

-AS8

[_GoodK]

Nehor. .
Are you not a 40 something LDS bachelor ? So how does that make you an expert on marriage?

LOL.

Maybe that is why Nehor is such a homophobe. Being the oldest guy in the Singles Ward can't be good for his sexual identity.