LifeOnaPlate wrote:I do not see how you can possibly juxtapose your response in light of the comments posted above by LDS Leaders that truth is secondary to the LDS Mission. Additionally.. Since they admit to be willing to be less than forthcoming why should I expect any thing different from you?
The authors were intent on publishing what they found. I believe they did just that. I do not believe that the highest mortal authorities of the Church have gone through all of the archives and thus know all that is contained therein. I trust the three authors as far as that goes. I believe, had they found something like a "smoking gun," they would have published it. I believe they are honest men.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
Do you believe Packer and Oaks are honest men, and were honest in their statements that any historian who shared true history that could damage the faith were at risk of losing their eternal reward, and would be violating ethics?
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
The authors were intent on publishing what they found. I believe they did just that. I do not believe that the highest mortal authorities of the Church have gone through all of the archives and thus know all that is contained therein. I trust the three authors as far as that goes. I believe, had they found something like a "smoking gun," they would have published it. I believe they are honest men.
Apparently on pg. 237 of the book its reported that two apostles reviewed the content of the findings prior to publishing. The authors may have intended to publish what they found but Church leaders who are the owners of the content and paid to have it published have made it clear from past quotes that truth is secondary to the Church Mission.
They would never let out negative information on BY and you are truly kidding yourself if you think otherwise. .
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it. Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
Do you believe Packer and Oaks are honest men, and were honest in their statements that any historian who shared true history that could damage the faith were at risk of losing their eternal reward, and would be violating ethics?
The Massacre book was not directed for Church use or CES use, or otherwise. The Massacre book is strictly contemporary historical inquiry and was researched, written, and published that way for a purpose. Again, and regardless of what Pres. Packer or Elder Oaks said, I believe this book represents the most honest efforts by the authors. (Interestingly, Elder Oaks did some his good history of his own along with Hill in Carthage Conspiracy.)
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
The authors were intent on publishing what they found. I believe they did just that. I do not believe that the highest mortal authorities of the Church have gone through all of the archives and thus know all that is contained therein. I trust the three authors as far as that goes. I believe, had they found something like a "smoking gun," they would have published it. I believe they are honest men.
Apparently on pg. 237 of the book its reported that two apostles reviewed the content of the findings prior to publishing. The authors may have intended to publish what they found but Church leaders who are the owners of the content and paid to have it published have made it clear from past quotes that truth is secondary to the Church Mission.
They would never let out negative information on BY and you are truly kidding yourself if you think otherwise. .
In multiple interviews the authors insisted very specifically and forthrightly that no church leader prevented them from publishing any relevant information whatsoever. I'll take their word over yours in this case. One, they did the research. Two, they were in the meetings with the Church leaders. Three, they've actually read the book. Four, so have I.
Regards!
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
LifeOnaPlate wrote:In multiple interviews the authors insisted very specifically and forthrightly that no church leader prevented them from publishing any relevant information whatsoever. I'll take their word over yours in this case. One, they did the research. Two, they were in the meetings with the Church leaders. Three, they've actually read the book. Four, so have I.
Sixteen!
Do I hear seventeen?
Incidentally, LOAP, we've had just about enough of your nonsense. It's much better to go on and on and on and on and on in an information vacuum.
The Massacre book was not directed for Church use or CES use, or otherwise. The Massacre book is strictly contemporary historical inquiry and was researched, written, and published that way for a purpose. Again, and regardless of what Pres. Packer or Elder Oaks said, I believe this book represents the most honest efforts by the authors. (Interestingly, Elder Oaks did some his good history of his own along with Hill in Carthage Conspiracy.)
Now that is spin worthy of a politician.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
The Massacre book was not directed for Church use or CES use, or otherwise. The Massacre book is strictly contemporary historical inquiry and was researched, written, and published that way for a purpose. Again, and regardless of what Pres. Packer or Elder Oaks said, I believe this book represents the most honest efforts by the authors. (Interestingly, Elder Oaks did some his good history of his own along with Hill in Carthage Conspiracy.)
Now that is spin worthy of a politician.
Now that's an unsubstantiated dodge worthy of Fox News.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam