Bushman: Internet having an impact

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christopher wrote:
Scottie wrote:It will be interesting to see if they go the inspired fiction route if they relegate Hinckley's "It all hinges on the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon" quote as opinion.


I don't think they can, because if fiction, how could Moroni be in Joseph's bedroom, or anywhere for that matter or how could we have land of Lamanites noted in the D&C?

Chris <><


Because it would be along the same lines when a big, strapping man comes and appears at The Nehor's bedside. Wait. That doesn't work because one was just a vision, and the other is... Well, we know what it is.

Regardless, you can just re-write history. Short memories. Wishful thinking. Repetition. Bold lies. Throw the former leaders under the bus, and voila... The new generation of revenue streamers will keep the corporation afloat. People gots ta have God... That ain't changin' any time soon...
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christopher
I don't think they can, because if fiction, how could Moroni be in Joseph's bedroom, or anywhere for that matter or how could we have land of Lamanites noted in the D&C?


This is kind of symbolic of the larger issue, which is that the LDS church is basically pretty conservative and literalist. Any liberalization of the LDS church is going to result in conflicts like the Book of Mormon conflict. So they would deal with it the way they currently deal with previous liberalizing movements, such as accepting evolution, by and large. Apologists or defenders of the faith come up with these bizarre conglomerations to try and justify believing both in a literal Adam and Eve and evolution. No matter how bizarre it is, no matter how much it strains credulity, there will be believers happy to adopt it if it helps them to retain belief.

TD
Hopefully the GAs will follow his lead and stop promoting the ridiculous notion that people leave the church because they sinned or were offended. (sigh).


Yes, it would be nice to see that teaching disappear. I’m sure this is a difficult dilemma for leaders who ponder it, however – scare tactics are useful in discouraging members from even thinking about these issues, which would probably be their first preference (but the internet is eroding that option). I do believe, as I’ve previously stated several times, that if the LDS church would stop teaching these insulting and, frankly, bigoted ideas about apostates, one result would be that apostates would feel less compelled to justify their loss of belief to members, in attempts to debunk this nonsense. That would, in turn, lessen the often combative atmosphere between Mormon and exmormon.

Where is God?


God, like George Bush, likes to take frequent and lengthy vacations. And, again like George Bush, we’re probably better off with him on vacation, judging from some of the things he’s done in the past. ;)

Mon
Hey, beastie, you know that I was greatly alarmed to discover that someone I loved thought anti-Mormons were the liars and he knew the truth. I was so very concerned for this young man.


Well, if the inoculation a la Bushman is going to be the future for the LDS church, then this will change. It would be nice not to have that knee-jerk “liar satan follower” reaction. Since it appears that Bushman likely has some level of approval from church leaders, it would appear that they are beginning to realize they may be setting members up for a very hard fall by encouraging that attitude.
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beastie wrote:(thanks to John Dehlin who posted this link on RFM)



Yes. Extra special thanks to John Dehlin for posting a link to what is probably the best website on the entire Internet.
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

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Yes. Extra special thanks to John Dehlin for posting a link to what is probably the best website on the entire Internet.


LOL! So is it your blog? I didn't make that connection.
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beastie wrote:
Yes. Extra special thanks to John Dehlin for posting a link to what is probably the best website on the entire Internet.


LOL! So is it your blog? I didn't make that connection.


You're a quick one. One of my best sources on all things Mormon. ;)
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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beastie wrote:
Yes. Extra special thanks to John Dehlin for posting a link to what is probably the best website on the entire Internet.


LOL! So is it your blog? I didn't make that connection.


I always suspected Life on a Plate was really Susan I/S.
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There are a lot of great comments here on this subject. I'll share this thread with a few friends of mine.

I am one of those that has resigned. I chose to leave because I could not represent the church or it's God - and the church certainly did not represent my beliefs regarding matters of honesty and integrity.

These men (the Mormon hierarchy) claim there is no authority between them and God.
If the Mormon God can't or won't step up and defend, justify, apologise (or even condemn) the deplorable behavior of the Servants that He has chosen, then who can?

For the foreseeable future, the church will have it's Tariq Aziz's (Husein's prime minister/spokesman) like Daniel Peterson etc. But really, how long can people stand outside in an Arizona summer and proclaim the sun is not shining?
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SatanWasSetUp wrote:I always suspected Life on a Plate was really Susan I/S.



I'm sorry, but your humor is lost on me. I know explaining things usually ruins the joke, but could you do me the favor?
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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Inconceivable wrote:But really, how long can people stand outside in an Arizona summer and proclaim the sun is not shining?

I'd say at least 8 hours a day or so.
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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Re: Bushman: Internet having an impact

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LifeOnaPlate wrote:
Inconceivable wrote:But really, how long can people stand outside in an Arizona summer and proclaim the sun is not shining?

I'd say at least 8 hours a day or so.


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