Book of Mormon apologetic of last resort?

[_Paharon]

I know that you are a rude person and don\'t know anything about Islam and the only true God.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Somehow, I doubt that MD's Paharon is MADB's Pahoran.

[_cksalmon]

Somehow, I doubt that MD's Paharon is MADB's Pahoran.

For the love of money...

I expect it's "selek" again.

Can we go back to basic cable, folks?

[_KimberlyAnn]

Somehow, I doubt that MD's Paharon is MADB's Pahoran.

For the love of money...

I expect it's "selek" again.

Can we go back to basic cable, folks?

Noth, we can't go back to basic cable!

I'm waiting for Juliann to show.

KA

[_harmony]

I'm waiting for Juliann to show.

KA

When the temperature of hell drops to 100 below zero.

[_moksha]

I'm waiting for Juliann to show.

KA

When the temperature of hell drops to 100 below zero.

Well, I suppose that would inevitably happen as a result...

[_Pumplehoober]

Bluster all you like Kevin, my conclusion is the most reasonable and logical. I am sure there are plenty of reasons you chose to posture the way you do, and I am content in my position. MySpace is indeed used for dating (a friend met his wife on MySpace), you did teach OS Installation. Search the Cache of Kevingraham.org

You can hardly expect people to think you paid for a house in a few years off OS Installation classes. Several things you have said are lies. Admit it or not, I know the truth, so your excuses are for bystanders only. I doubt many would care if you were divorced or single, in fact a divorce would support the anti-Mormon agenda, since you could blame Mormonism.

Craziest thing of all about this stuff, Tradd is supposed to be some kind of big shot scholar living in Egypt. He has claimed to be able to beat up any man in the world -student of Aikido- and has bragged about how wealthy he has become charging his clients "outrageous" sums of money for doing nothing more than providing them with advice. We're hardly dealing with a humble individual here.

Support with evidence? How is it that you do not have any recollection of something you did three months ago, but have detailed knowledge of my life? I do not have a problem with my memory, but given your limited grey matter you chose to waste time remembering false facts about me?!?

Tradd has a Mormon background of some sort, -maybe his wife was LDS?- and as I understand it, has LDS family somewhere.

Evidence? Is this one of those cases where you will bluster about your lie, lie again to cover the first lie, get caught and then claim you had a very good reason to lie? I have a link to the first time you did that I believe if you like.

Oh, and Tradd... If you and your buddies think for a second you can continue to bully yourselves into implementing sharia think again. f*** you. f*** your religion. And f*** the pedophile "prophet" Muahmmed.

WHAT!!!!! We already had you penciled in to bring meatloaf to the next potluck. Whatever will we do now? Can you at least bring a drink? So it looks like Kevin has found another racist/bigot to mentor into self-destruction. Why does prejudice and ignorance always find a fertile audience? Oh well.

[Guest]

Bluster all you like Kevin, my conclusion is the most reasonable and logical. I am sure there are plenty of reasons you chose to posture the way you do, and I am content in my position.

Well, that isn't surprising since you've always been content in denial. You never like to admit being wrong. You have a history of making offensive and outrageous conclusions and you never want to own up to the fact that your conclusions are only "logical" to you. You make stupid remarks, and when proved wrong, you go into denial and claim the person you offended is just "blustering." Anything but Tradd being wrong. I think you need a serious couch session with a qualified psychologist.

MySpace is indeed used for dating (a friend met his wife on MySpace)

Well, here is evidence for EAllusion's claim that you lack comprehension. People can meet their wives in all kinds of places, but that doesn't mean these locations are generally "used for dating." Unlike you, I actually found out the site's primary purpose. It is simply a place for friends, as advertised:

MySpace, Inc. (“MySpace” or “we”) operates MySpace.com, which is a social networking service that allows Members to create unique personal profiles online in order to find and communicate with old and new friends.

14 year olds own myspace pages for crying out loud. If it were intended as a singles hotline, you would need to be 18 or maybe 21. It has the same restrictions as common webhosting services. By your logic, you're cheating on your wife because you are on the internet; people meet their spouses online all the time.

you did teach OS Installation. Search the Cache of Kevingraham.org

Yeah, to fifth graders when I first started teaching middle school in Brasil. I can only assume you're looking at an online assignment I had posted for my students, but my "job" was teaching computer science that semester.

So where is the "logic" in your conclusion that hired a contractor to build my house using money I had yet to earn teaching middle school? Again, you're taking crumbs of data and using them to create whatever self-serving scenario you can.

And here is where you look stupid, feed yoru denial by accusing me of "blustering," and maintain confidence in your "logical" conclusion. I guess arrogance is a requirement in your job, huh? For you to make a living off giving others advice, you can't afford to be wrong, especially when you are.

You can hardly expect people to think you paid for a house in a few years off OS Installation classes.

What??? I never said I did. Again, here is more evidence for EA's anecdote that you really aren't a good listener and that you're more inclined to exagerration and have little interest in non-self-serving truths. I paid for most of the costs before I ever took that job at the Escola das Nações. But I also worked freelance as a network administrator for two clinics, and would later teach advanced English for Escola de Línguas, at UnB (University of Brasilia). I also taught privately and was hired for an IT position at the Embassy, but the wait for top secret clearance was around 9-12 months (because I had lived in so many countries the background check took longer), so I ended up taking the job at the University instead.

I doubt many would care if you were divorced or single, in fact a divorce would support the anti-Mormon agenda, since you could blame Mormonism.

The only person who seems to be preoccupied with this is you. You brought it up. It has nothing to do with any topic here. It is just you trying to embarrass me with your convoluted imagination. And you do so for devious reasons. Stop trying to drag others into your obsession with all things Kevin Graham. This is exactly the reason so many people detest you, including those at FAIR.

Support with evidence? How is it that you do not have any recollection of something you did three months ago, but have detailed knowledge of my life?

Again your comprehension faculties fail you when you need them most. I never said anything with certainty. I can only recall tid bits from what others have shared with me in ZLMB chat, yourself included. Of course we both know that you did once say you could defend your family if approached by a violent assailant. When asked how you would do this, you responded with some smart ass comment like, "Don't worry I can take care of my family." The debate was over the necessity of firearms in cases of self defense. You assured everyone you would never need a gun or knife. The "logical" conclusion in that bit chest beating was that you felt you could take on anyone.

Evidence?Is this one of those cases where you will bluster about your lie, lie again to cover the first lie, get caught and then claim you had a very good reason to lie? I have a link to the first time you did that I believe if you like.

Whatever you have to do to help you sleep better at night, Tradd. "Bluster" all you want and rationalize all you want. The fact is you came here with a shot gun and ended up blowing your foot off. You just don't have the common decency to apologize or lower your head and sneak out the back door. But I guess that's a luxury that comes along with anonymity.

You have to misrepresent the evidence, as always, before you can even begin to fabricate your case. Misrepresenting myspace and refusing to consider the facts that undermine your pet theory, seems to be the only thing you're interested in. Again, you can't afford to be wrong.

You have links huh? Well I have a link where you're presently doing it. Right here. Diversion won't save you from yourself Tradd. I'm not here to "prove" anything about you because in this forum, there are enough people who have had experience with you to know that what I say is true. If someone else questioned something I had to say, then maybe it would be worth digging for evidence. Right now it isn't because everyone here, you included, knows what I say is true.

You haven't managed to earn many friends during your voyage in cyberspace have you? Every where you go you invoke the ire of the immediate audience whether it be here, FAIR, ZLMB, Christianforums, or Conciliabulum.

I do not have a problem with my memory, but given your limited grey matter you chose to waste time remembering false facts about me?!?

I remember a lot of stupid stuff for no apparent reason. I don't remember when I signed up on myspace because it took three minutes of my life and I never returned. I don't remember everything you said on ZLMB and elsewhere, but for some reason certain things stuck with me. Maybe it was the comical element that made your "I'm the strongest man in the world" rant stick. I remember all of your self-gloating comments for some reason. Like when you brag about how much money you make taking advantage of globalism in Egypt. You said you knowingly charge your clients "outrageous" amounts of money (your words) because they just don't know any better. I asked if you were bragging or apologizing. You then said you spend something like 40k/year just on your children's education, and that you pay for your wife a private limo service, etc. You gave up all of this information for no apparent reason other than to beat your chest in some weird sense. You seemed to be hell bent on showing me that you had "upped" me on everything imaginable, including religion, job, income, education and now family. Maybe that's why you're so infuatated with my wife. It must drive you nuts that my wife is out of your league.

Your inability to divorce yourself from Mormon related forums suggests you have some reason to be there. It is a reasonable assumption that perhaps you have familial ties to the Church, even though you are now a Muslim.

The difference is, my recollections and conclusions are not born from malice. I'm not out to "get you" for something. How does it damage you to say you're a scholar and that you have family ties to the Church? Compare this to your outrageous and offensive assertions that I am unemployed, rely on my wife, abandoned my children, and now abandoned by my wife?

And you think that just because my wife remains LDS, that this means we have to get divorced? That's your "logical" conclusion? Jack Meyers is living proof that a non-LDS can live with an LDS spouse.

[_antishock8]

So, are you a Mormon or a Muslim? And since when did Islam become a race? Pfft.

Oh, and yes, I'm very bigoted toward Islamists. Something about Sharia law... I don't know... Just rubs me the wrong way. I suppose it's the lack of womens' rights, or that under Sharia non-believers have four options which are:

1) Submit, and become a Muslim.

2) Be murdered.

3) Pay jizyah in order to live as a second-class citizen under Sharia.

4) Become a slave.

Oh, maybe it's because under Quranic doctrine Islamists think everyone who isn't a Muslim is guilty and worthy of the above four fates.

Oh, maybe it's because Muslims killed 40 million Hindus.

Oh, maybe it's because Islamists have waged over 12,000 incidents of kinetic jihad since 9/11 killing over 100,000 Muslims and non-Muslims across the world. Something about "harboring hate in your heart for the infidel" just... Rubs me the wrong way about that religion.

Oh, maybe it's 150 Islamist neworks set up across this country either planning individual and group jihad attacks as prescribed by Quranic warfare doctrine, or raising money and sending it overseas to violent Islamic thugocracies just following the guidance set for under Sharia.

Oh, maybe it's because an old Muslim man was hacked to death last week in Africa for *gasp* saying the prophet Muhammed was full of crap.

I dunno... Maybe... Maybe it's just me... But when comparing MMM to, oh, say, ANY GIVEN DAY UNDER ISLAM, Mormonism comes out smelling like freaking roses.

So. Yes. I'm bigoted toward Islam. By these fruits ye shall know them, and when I tune into the Olympics today I'll take special note that there are no female athletes representing the cradle of Islam... Saudi Arabia...Probably because SA is sooooo open-minded, tolerant, and diverse. /Saracasm

[_MsJack]

Jack Meyers attended my wedding, so she can testify that it was in March of 2002.

And you think that just because my wife remains LDS, that this means we have to get divorced? That's your "logical" conclusion? Jack Meyers is living proof that a non-LDS can live with an LDS spouse.

Eh? What the hell am I verifying? I don't wanna go back and have to read this abortion of a thread.

Yes, I went to Kevin's wedding reception in Provo in spring of 2002, March sounds right. He's a nice guy in person in spite of his potential for nastiness on message boards. He tried very hard to be a good host and seemed to feel bad for me because I was one of the few people there who didn't speak Portuguese. He's a handsome guy in real life, a tad bit taller than me (I'm 6'0") and what struck me most about his appearance was that he has a very noticeable scar across the base of his chin--I forget how he said he got it. You don't really see it in photographs, but looking up at him it's impossible not to see it. He probably gets sick of people bringing it up. His wife is gorgeous, not sure how a schmuck like him snagged her, and he probably isn't sure either.

It's not unheard of for a couple to stay together when one person leaves the faith; if anything was going to break Kevin's marriage, I would have thought it would be the situation with his wife having to leave America. If they could get through that, why not this? If a couple is determined to make a marriage work in spite of their differences, it can work in all sorts of situations.

I think the MySpace page is weak evidence for the end of Kevin's marriage or Kevin cheating on his wife. His page looked like crap and had barely any information on it. If he'd really been looking for girls, he could have had a lot more of them on his friends list easily and he might have put a little effort into his page.

But even if his marriage was on the rocks, that's his business and shouldn't be fodder for Internet message boards. My husband and I almost split up a year after we got married and it was the second-most painful experience of my life without there being a peep of it on ZLMB or MADB. If his marriage really is in trouble, leave the poor guy alone.

For the record, Kevin and I had a falling out years ago and haven't spoken privately since 2003. I don't think I've spoken with him on a message board since sometime in 2004. Registering here a few weeks ago was the first I'd heard of him in years and the first I'd heard of his departure from the LDS faith. So it's not like he called in a buddy to back him up.

Good luck with whatever the heck it is you're doing, Kevin.