The Best Reason for Sinning....

[_Persephone]

The Dude has convinced me that sin (so-called) is the answer to the dilemma I have entertained for so long now.

Thanks Dude![/color]

Do tell?

I need to get it down in words first. Right now it's just the light of the concept that has lit up my mind. I know what I see, but I'm not sure I'm ready to try to explain it to others. Most people simply will not understand, or they'll be too strait-jacketed by christian traditions to look at it objectively. But The Dude is right that the only way out of Mormonism -- once and for all -- is to embrace the thing the oppressors have labeled as "sin".

[_truth dancer]

But The Dude is right that the only way out of Mormonism -- once and for all -- is to embrace the thing the oppressors have labeled as "sin".

Hi Persephone,

Welcome to the board. :-)

I disagree with Dude as I had stated earlier, but I am wondering why you think it is necessary to "sin" in order to not believe Mormonism?

Or why is "sin" necessary to step away from Mormonism?

And what sort of "sin" is necessary?

Do you need to break all the rules or just some of them?

Is shopping on Sunday enough or must one rob a jewelry store? Would using a few F-bombs be enough or would you have to have an affair?

To be honest I do not understand this line of reasoning.

My personal experience was that letting go of Mormonism had nothing to do with "sin" but everything to do to listening to my heart and mind.

Now, I suppose listening to my heart and mind could be considered a "sin" by those who don't agree with me... but I'm not sure exactly how or why it is necessary to "sin" in order to let go of Mormonism.

Just wondering...

:-)

td

[_Ray A]

There are two scriptures that come to my mind whenever the topic of sinning and leaving comes up. When Jesus defended the woman taken in adultery, he said "let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone".

None volunteered.

The other is that anyone who says he/she is without sin, is a liar.

The Book of Mormon teaches that even thoughts can be sinful. We don't even have to get into actions. Lacking faith was considered a sin, think of the Brother of Jared, whose main sin was not praying for four years!

Now I realise that Mormons, when thinking of sin, are probably referring to greater categories of sin, like bonking your neighbour. But the fact is that everyone sins! To greater or lesser degrees, and in principle any type of sin can "draw a person away". Perhaps that's where intellectual issues enter the picture. When people read disturbing history, for some it's enough to draw them away. Those who aren't disturbed keep sinning with faith.

The idea that pure and sinless people leave Mormonism is a myth. And I've never felt the need to defend that.

[_The Nehor]

There are two scriptures that come to my mind whenever the topic of sinning and leaving comes up. When Jesus defended the woman taken in adultery, he said "let he who is without sin among you cast the first stone".

None volunteered.

The other is that anyone who says he/she is without sin, is a liar.

The Book of Mormon teaches that even thoughts can be sinful. We don't even have to get into actions. Lacking faith was considered a sin, think of the Brother of Jared, whose main sin was not praying for four years!

Now I realise that Mormons, when thinking of sin, are probably referring to greater categories of sin, like bonking your neighbour. But the fact is that everyone sins! To greater or lesser degrees, and in principle any type of sin can "draw a person away". Perhaps that's where intellectual issues enter the picture. When people read disturbing history, for some it's enough to draw them away. Those who aren't disturbed keep sinning with faith.

The idea that pure and sinless people leave Mormonism is a myth. And I've never felt the need to defend that.

I think when they say sin leads you away they mean unrepented sin.

[_Ray A]

I think when they say sin leads you away they mean unrepented sin.

That's pretty much the same as sinning with faith. When does any person reach the point that they don't need to repent? Everyone is in a "state of sin". Greater or lesser. I think this is why Christians are so criticial of the Mormon concept of sin, grace, and works.

It was Paul who said that if you think your works are going to get you to heaven, you got the wrong God on the phoneline.

[_The Nehor]

I think when they say sin leads you away they mean unrepented sin.

That's pretty much the same as sinning with faith. When does any person reach the point that they don't need to repent? Everyone is in a "state of sin". Greater or lesser. I think this is why Christians are so criticial of the Mormon concept of sin, grace, and works.

It was Paul who said that if you think your works are going to get you to heaven, you got the wrong God on the phoneline.

You don't reach the point where you can stop repenting. If you stop bad things tend to happen. I make it a daily habit.

[_Ray A]

By the way, did you know that even participating on this board is a sin?

3 Nephi:

29 For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another.

[_karl61]

recently I have tried some mixed drinks during the day or at night. I find that they seem to calm me down: gin seems mild and is easy to mix with things. For someone that was very paranoid, drinking was not really an option for me because I thought the Mormon way was the only way. I can compare and see how some drinks feel the same as some medication.

I think that it really is okay to drink, smoke pot but only after you have done your schooling. It would be very interesting if parents told their kids that there is nothing wrong with a little drinking or a little pot but before you do that study hard, get your schooling, travel and go slow - all things in moderation. Start slowly at age thirty. You seem to able to think things through by age thirty.

A shot of whisky right before the six kids get home from school may benefit both the kids and the mother as she might be a little calmer. but I guess if some stressed out LDS housewifes felt a buzz that it could lead to something really bad. I wonder if Joseph Smith had a little buzz before they stormed carthage.

[_The Nehor]

By the way, did you know that even participating on this board is a sin?

3 Nephi:

29 For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another.

I know this. I repent often.

[_Ray A]

I know this. I repent often. - J. Golden Kimball.

Further edited for clarification.