D&C 107: 92

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_ludwigm
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D&C 107: 92

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That verse wrote:Behold, here is wisdom; yea, to be a seer, a revelator, a translator, and a prophet, having all the gifts of God which he bestows upon the head of the church.


At http://scriptures.LDS.org/hu You can read the scriptures in hungarian (with many, many translation, grammatical and linguistic error but now I don't want to handle them, it will be another thread)
If You look at http://scriptures.LDS.org/hu/od/2 (which is the hungarian version of the "OFFICIAL DECLARATION—2" You can read:
A tan és a szövetségek
2. HIVATALOS NYILATKOZAT
Til alle i sagen interesserede:
Den 30. september 1978, ved oktoberkonferencen i Jesu Kristi Kirke af Sidste Dages Hellige, blev følgende forelagt af præsident N. Eldon Tanner, førsterådgiver i Det Første Præsidentskab i kirken:

Azoknak, akiket érint:
1978. szeptember 30-án, Az Utolsó Napok Szentjeinek Jézus Krisztus Egyháza 148. féléves általános konferenciáján N. Eldon Tanner elnök, első tanácsos az egyház Első Elnökségében, a következőket mondta el:
Ez év júniusának elején az Első Elnökség bejelentette, hogy Spencer W. Kimball elnök ...


The red text is probably swedish. (Or norwegian or one of the other northern languages ...)
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- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: D&C 107: 92

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I'm not sure what you're getting at, Ludwig.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
_John Larsen
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Re: D&C 107: 92

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Are you saying that they dropped a paragraph in that wasn't Hungarian? Oops!
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Re: D&C 107: 92

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You're claiming that the Scriptures in other languages aren't perfect? I think we know that. My Portuguese companion found several in his.

If the Prophet was translating by the gift and power of God we might have a problem but it's done by large teams doing the best they can.
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Re: D&C 107: 92

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The Nehor wrote:You're claiming that the Scriptures in other languages aren't perfect? I think we know that. My Portuguese companion found several in his.

If the Prophet was translating by the gift and power of God we might have a problem but it's done by large teams doing the best they can.


I think the underlying point is that the claim of power and authority above all other authority is manifest in the possession of certain gifts. However, the Church seems ironically incapable of exercising those gifts. They thus fail the test of their own making.

Or something like that.
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On second thought, they never claimed the gift of "cut and paste" so maybe they are still okay. Crisis of faith avoided!
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Re: D&C 107: 92

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John Larsen wrote:
The Nehor wrote:You're claiming that the Scriptures in other languages aren't perfect? I think we know that. My Portuguese companion found several in his.

If the Prophet was translating by the gift and power of God we might have a problem but it's done by large teams doing the best they can.


I think the underlying point is that the claim of power and authority above all other authority is manifest in the possession of certain gifts. However, the Church seems ironically incapable of exercising those gifts. They thus fail the test of their own making.

Or something like that.


This is why when Paul enumerated the Spiritual Gifts he made it pretty clear that no one would get them unless they also had faith. The two that are most publicly observable (tongues and prophecy) come across as babbling and madness respectively. I guess the Prophets aren't kidding when they say that not only do miracles not convert but it's very rare that anyone outside will ever even recognize one when it comes.
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Re: D&C 107: 92

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The Nehor wrote:You're claiming that the Scriptures in other languages aren't perfect? I think we know that. My Portuguese companion found several in his.
If the Prophet was translating by the gift and power of God we might have a problem but it's done by large teams doing the best they can.


If this is the best they can ...
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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