The FAIR Conference in Parts: A Failed Documentary

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And some of those books boasted big markups, as Kerry noted.

The truth is, I'd love to see Kerry get angry over his reviews and get serious. Make it his mission to "show us". In at least one other venue, he's a very talented artist, and I honestly feel with the right effort, he could become the documentarian of LDS apologetics.

I'd like to see him one day stepping out of his new ride, and having the crowd running to him rather than ducking. He has all the raw materials in front of him to make the transformation. He just needs to take it seriously.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:Dr. Shades is a psychiatrist, and this message board is a therapeutic tool for the inmates of his clinic. I recognize that some of the posters here are probably orderlies and therapists, but some of them -- it's all so plain to me now! -- are indisputably patients in an asylum.


What a frightening proposition. Scratch the psychiatrist.
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Gadianton wrote:And some of those books boasted big markups, as Kerry noted.


Yes, I noticed that too, and found it peculiar. Why charge so much? Are apologists attempting to cash in, and to milk this (gullible?) market for as much as possible? For that matter, why charge money at all? DCP has stated that they need money for printing, paper, pencils, paper clips and whatnot.... That said, couldn't The Good Professor's $20,000 Chairman fee go towards distributing these organs of apologia for free?

The truth is, I'd love to see Kerry get angry over his reviews and get serious. Make it his mission to "show us". In at least one other venue, he's a very talented artist, and I honestly feel with the right effort, he could become the documentarian of LDS apologetics.


Hmm. A very interesting notion. The precedent-setter in this regard was Josh Skains, whose anti-MDB diatribe was posted, and then quickly yanked, from YouTube. Frankly, I think that Kerry is the better filmmaker, though Skains edges him out in terms of hosting/acting ability.

I'd like to see him one day stepping out of his new ride, and having the crowd running to him rather than ducking. He has all the raw materials in front of him to make the transformation. He just needs to take it seriously.


You know, I think that FARMS should launch a Cinema & Agitprop Division. It could be the Howard W. Hunter Center for Film & Persuasion Studies.
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cksalmon wrote:As I alluded to above, he rejects (without apology) the belief that God the Father is merely one in an infinite chain of divine beings. God the Father is the initial arche for him. That has significant ramifications for his system.


And here he departs so far from the distinctive Mormon theology of the past that I have little use for him. He is creating Mormon theology, not describing it. And it will be a cold day in hell when I accept his creation of Mormon theology as Mormon theology over the teachings of the founding prophet. His creative misreading of the KFD is a masterpiece and a travesty all at the same time. A masterpiece because he is so talented at hoodwinking his reader, and a travesty for how he wrests the text.
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Mister Scratch wrote:The precedent-setter in this regard was Josh Skains, whose anti-MDB diatribe was posted, and then quickly yanked, from YouTube. Frankly, I think that Kerry is the better filmmaker, though Skains edges him out in terms of hosting/acting ability.


Skains wasn't acting. Skains is insane.
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!!!!!!

There's definitely a niche market for videos of "academic" conferences by apologists. This is already a viable product for evangelicals. I don't see Kerry making money off of what amounts to a homevideo with some brief attempts at documentary style, but a more professional video could get over a hundred buyers, maybe more, depending on how it spreads in the culture. Yes, DCP, I'm quite confident people would pay to see footage of people like you in front of a podium giving a speeches mirroring the papers at the Maxwell Institute interspersed with personal interviews and local color. Such a video could be sold profitably right on FAIR's website under scholarly sounding titles like The Proceedings of FAIR Conference '08, '09, etc. Don't fret. I think it's a little sad too.

If you think that's crazy, I can only wonder why. This already occurs with similar religious apologetics gatherings.

Edit: I also don't think the production values would have to be all that great. Have you seen the stuff that is shown on the religious channels?
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Trevor wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:Dr. Shades is a psychiatrist, and this message board is a therapeutic tool for the inmates of his clinic. I recognize that some of the posters here are probably orderlies and therapists, but some of them -- it's all so plain to me now! -- are indisputably patients in an asylum.


What a frightening proposition. Scratch the psychiatrist.


Scratch the psychiatrist? As in "physician heal thyself"?

Nah. This thread, at least, has more of a Dante and Randal feel to it.

(If you know what that's a reference to, you're sicker than me.)
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Mister Scratch wrote:Yes, I noticed that too, and found it peculiar. Why charge so much? Are apologists attempting to cash in, and to milk this (gullible?) market for as much as possible?


Kerry certainly hinted more than once that to be a well-read Mormon would require a small fortune. To me the solution is, fair is fair. He should charge for his videos.
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LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Kerry is pretty awesome with wood, but that doesn't exactly naturally translate into filmmaking skills. If Kerry held help on that front, or turned out to have a knack for it, I think Kerry does have the right kind of engaging personality and friendliness with LDS apologetic players that he could get decent interviews. He'd just have to reel himself in a bit.

... Ok. More than a bit.
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Gadianton wrote:And what exempts Kerry's work from critique?


Jersey Girl already pointed it out. You can critique the amateur video of Shirts all you want. You'll just look strange doing it. Comparing Shirts' film to Meldrum's is a large, very large, leap.

I'm surprised you think that it is silly that Shirts might have a real profit opportunity here. I guarantee you that the right kind of film effort to show the apologists in action is a money maker. I'd wager that even in the poor condition the film is now, he could still make money off of it. I think the market here is real.


I suggest you jump on that right away and get publishing. The field is ripe, and there is huge money to be made in Mormon books. Just ask George Smith.

Master Scartch wrote:I agree with you, Gad. In fact, if the lovable pilgarlic know as LifeOnaPlate hadn't actually been at the conference, mugging for the camera, I bet he would have paid cash money for a boxed set of the documentary. Just the sight of all those warm, fuzzy books would alone be worth the expense.


In case anyone else needed to look up "pilgarlic" but decided against it, Scartch is poking a little fun at my shaved head which itself is a result of male-pattern baldness which I was afflicted- yes afflicted- with at an early age. :( :(
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