Its not an ad hominem attack (unless Nehor meant it that way), but simply a matter of taxonomy.
Homosexuality is a perversion of appropriate psycho-sexual development, or, for some who like to explore the further reaches of sexual experience quite outside the perimeters of any possible genetic component to such behavior, simply a perversion.
Burned in their lust, one toward the other.
Nehor has only spoken a simple truth here, nothing more or less.
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- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
Its not an ad hominem attack (unless Nehor meant it that way), but simply a matter of taxonomy.
Homosexuality is a perversion of appropriate psycho-sexual development, or, for some who like to explore the further reaches of sexual experience quite outside the perimeters of any possible genetic component to such behavior, simply a perversion.
Burned in their lust, one toward the other.
Nehor has only spoken a simple truth here, nothing more or less.
You must be old to say that. Teenagers are nothing but lustful creatures! I see my parents as not lustful or even affectionate at all. I could not even imagine them as horny teenagers like I sometimes have been.
I have seen older lesbian couples on TV interviews and they remind me of my parents.
Lots of love but zilch lust.
Like I said in a post before, if marriage to the opposite sex is important to you why not focus on that and ignore the others?
... our church isn't true, but we have to keep up appearances so we don't get shunned by our friends and family, fired from our jobs, kicked out of our homes, ... Please don't tell on me. ~maklelan
The Nehor wrote: +editor's note: Here, morality means whatever popular education/culture says is moral at the moment.
False.
Homosexuality has never been immoral.
You are sure of this how exactly?
I claim divine revelation. You can claim the reasoning of your fallible mind. You can say I am wrong. I'm not exactly sure how you can claim with certainty that you are right.
Homosexuality has been embraced by societies in the past. It was then villified again. Are you sure you're not just part of the latest cycle?
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I'm just glad the Church has decided to draw a hard line on something for a change. It's refreshing to me. Why do gay people want to be Mormon anyway?
I know you don't agree with it Rollo, but wouldn't you prefer this to some wishy washy, "only a prophet when speaking as a prophet," argument.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
The Nehor wrote:One was an extension of marriage, the other is the complete alteration of it.
Polygamy was outlawed precisely because it was NOT recognized as an extension of marriage, but rather, as a form of adultery.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
ajax18 wrote:I'm just glad the Church has decided to draw a hard line on something for a change. It's refreshing to me. Why do gay people want to be Mormon anyway?
I know you don't agree with it Rollo, but wouldn't you prefer this to some wishy washy, "only a prophet when speaking as a prophet," argument.
I think the Church is 100% wrong on this one, which is the primary issue for me (rather than whether the Church is showing some backbone on an issue). I guess one could say the Church has shown backbone concerning facial hair and multiple earrings, but who cares?
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
The Nehor wrote:One was an extension of marriage, the other is the complete alteration of it.
Polygamy was outlawed precisely because it was NOT recognized as an extension of marriage, but rather, as a form of adultery.
Homosexuality was outlawed precisely because it was NOT recognized as a healthy relationship, but rather, as a perversion.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
collegeterrace wrote:I really don't understand what the big deal is with gay marriage.
Why not let them have the same benefits as common law married boyfriend and girlfriend?
There are just as many if not more bad hetro marriages which involve immorality, abuse, etc..
Which is worse? boy+girl or boy+boy or girl+girl living together?
I see this as a loosing battle for the Church. I see my generation being much more accepting of it and we(my generation) will probably see the attitudes of the Church change during our life.
If being married to the opposite sex is important to you then why not just focus on that and leave the others alone?
Hi C-T, you sound almost too sensible and pragmatic to be here. I agree, it is "a loosing battle for the church." History will repeat itself, given time... Welcome! Looking forward to reading more from you... Warm regards, Roger :-)
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The Nehor wrote:Homosexuality was outlawed precisely because it was NOT recognized as a healthy relationship, but rather, as a perversion.
The Lord, via Jacob in the Book of Mormon, referred to polygamy as an "abomination." In light of D&C 132, He apparently had changed his mind by 1843. ;)
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)