Online Apologetics and "Collateral Damage"

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Re: Online Apologetics and "Collateral Damage"

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Whoooosh!


I hate to tell you, but I suspect even Jesus is laughing at you right now.

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Re: Online Apologetics and "Collateral Damage"

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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Second, Brent, I suppose it depends on what you mean by published. A small handful of copies containing the acrostic -- literally five or six or so -- were printed and bound. They were not distributed.



One should definitely be kept in the vault. The rest could make some bucks for a Mitt for Senate fundraiser.
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Re: Online Apologetics and "Collateral Damage"

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Hi beastie,

Good to hear from you. I trust that life is treating you well.

You ask:


beastie wrote: by the way, Brent, is this the first time you've corrected DCP's rendition of this event? Just curious.

No, I've corrected Dan on both points on multiple occasions.

Kind regards,

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Re: Online Apologetics and "Collateral Damage"

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Hi Dan,

Your sources—assuming that you recall correctly—haven't served you well. You say about my claim:


Daniel Peterson wrote:Yes. I'm contradicting it.

My understanding and my memory have it that perhaps slightly more than five were printed and bound (and released), but fewer than ten. If I'm wrong, I'm not wrong by very much. There were very few printed and distributed, and virtually all were successfully recalled. So I was told, and I've never had any reason to doubt it.

Then let me give you a reason to doubt it: the Review of Books on the Book of Mormon received via snail-mail by a Californian FARMS subscriber.


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To suggest that a subscription-based publication like RBBM would be mailed to subscribers after only "fewer than ten" "were printed and bound" is, well, perhaps the "joke" that you've been referring to all along.

Regards,

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Re: Online Apologetics and "Collateral Damage"

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Brent Metcalfe wrote:Hi Dan,

Your sources—assuming that you recall correctly—haven't served you well. You say about my claim:


Daniel Peterson wrote:Yes. I'm contradicting it.

My understanding and my memory have it that perhaps slightly more than five were printed and bound (and released), but fewer than ten. If I'm wrong, I'm not wrong by very much. There were very few printed and distributed, and virtually all were successfully recalled. So I was told, and I've never had any reason to doubt it.

Then let me give you a reason to doubt it: the Review of Books on the Book of Mormon received via snail-mail by a Californian FARMS subscriber.


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To suggest that a subscription-based publication like RBBM would be mailed to subscribers after only "fewer than ten" "were printed and bound" is, well, perhaps the "joke" that you've been referring to all along.

Regards,

</brent>


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Brent: Maybe such a phenomenon was accidental as some elements in the Book of Mormon are argued to be? ;)
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

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Re: Online Apologetics and "Collateral Damage"

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LifeOnaPlate wrote:Brent: Maybe such a phenomenon was accidental as some elements in the Book of Mormon are argued to be? ;)


That's a gem. LOL.
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Hi Blair,

My goodness—how original. *yawn!*

Cheers,

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(P.S. Ray, Blair's comment isn't so much a "gem" as it is the actual reason that Bill Hamblin claimed motivated him to embed the acrostic.)


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Brent Metcalfe wrote:Hi Blair,

My goodness—how original. *yawn!*

Cheers,

</brent>

(P.S. Ray, Blair's comment isn't so much a "gem" as it is the actual reason that Bill Hamblin claimed motivated him to embed the acrostic.)


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And yet it is a point that makes good sense. I have been developing a naturalistic theory for the acrostic, and I'm hoping signature will consider publishing it. ;)

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One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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Brent Metcalfe wrote:(P.S. Ray, Blair's comment isn't so much a gem as it is the actual reason that Bill Hamblin claimed motivated him to embed the acrostic.)


Now that you mention it, I think I do vaguely recall that. Is that The Hamblin Letter Chiasm? He obviously learned nothing from Hyrum Page :)
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Re: Online Apologetics and "Collateral Damage"

Post by _Brent Metcalfe »

Hi Blair,

You strike me as an intellectual Twinkie—no, I mean that sincerely. Unfortunately, I'm pre-diabetic, so...

Ciao,

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