Govenor Sarah Palin, Mormonism, Post-Mormonism, Politics

[_harmony]

In Church today, the 5th Sunday meeting concensus was that she should be at home with her five month old daughter instead of being in politics.

You're joking, right?

[_EAllusion]

Let me put it differently then Junia. Why quote Larry Johnson when Kevin Graham is right here? What exactly does he add? If he's just some random blogger with a history of lying and anti-Obama bias, what's the value of his opinion here? Initially, it seemed to be that he was pro-Hillary, having an informal relationship with the campaign, and therefore friendly to Democrats. But that is kinda wiped away by his anti-Obama bias that has manifested itself in rather contemptible ways. His history is motivated by antipathy specifically towards Obama. He wasn't just a quasi-surrogate for Clinton. John McCain could've picked Satan and he would've been saying it is better than Obama.

Richard -

The debate is on youtube last I knew. I'll go through it later.

[_MsJack]

Let me put it differently then Junia. Why quote Larry Johnson when Kevin Graham is right here? What exactly does he add? If he's just some random blogger with a history of lying and anti-Obama bias, what's the value of his opinion here? Initially, it seemed to be that he was pro-Hillary, having an informal relationship with the campaign, and therefore friendly to Democrats. But that is kinda wiped away by his anti-Obama bias that has manifested itself in rather contemptible ways. His history is motivated by antipathy specifically towards Obama. He wasn't just a quasi-surrogate for Clinton. John McCain could've picked Satan and he would've been saying it is better than Obama.

Hmm... I think I see your point EA. What he specifically said about Palin in the post I linked to is an opinion that's getting a lot of nods from other Hillary supporters, but I probably should have referred to one of them instead.

And holy crap, been a while since anyone's called me Junia. ;)

[_richardMdBorn]

Beastie is not reading my posts very closely. I wrote

Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:46 pm
What was Obama's successful career prior to politics?

She transforms my statement into

First, you were the one who seemed to believe that only pre-political careers could count towards success..

which is a statement I never made.

I asked

Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:35 pm You stated that Obama was a success as a lawyer. How was this manifested? What big cases did he win? What important papers did he write? What law firm made him partner?

You responded

I think that Obama's work for his law firm plus his respected stint as professor indicates success, as well as his success at Harvard. You, apparently, think a lawyer is only successful if he/she is a partner in a law firm. That's your standard, not mine.

Further discussion is pointless from my perspective. See ya.

[_richardMdBorn]

Richard -

The debate is on youtube last I knew. I'll go through it later.

Don't do it for my sake. That's a lot of debate to watch and my point's not that important.

[_MsJack]

Is anybody having flashbacks to ZLMB four years ago?

What this thread needs now is Tradd!

[_beastie]

Richard

Here’s the chronological order of our posts:

I first said this:

Beastie
Sat Aug 30, 2008 7:21 am
by the way, of course I could have predicted that Palin supporters will now discount "experience" in favor of "accomplishments", but this opens the door for Obama supporters to put forth his accomplishments in the same manner. Each one has had successful careers (which distinguishes them from Bush, at least).

You responded with this:

Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:46 pm
What was Obama's successful career prior to politics?

See? You are the one who changed the topic from successful careers, overall, to success only prior to politics. You ask me this question as if there were something pertinent to share, as if you could reveal that Obama was a dismal failure in his career prior to politics. Yet I included Palin in my first “each one has had successful careers” so obviously I wasn’t just talking about prior to politics. If you want to make some issue over the fact that you obviously think Obama’s career prior to politics was substandard, and that has some significance, then it’s only fair we analyze Palin’s career prior to politics. Besides, we obviously don’t have the same standard for what constitutes a successful career as a lawyer.

[_MsJack]

by the way, going back to the subject of Sarah Palin & Mormonism, check out all of the searches that hit my blog yesterday:

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EL OH EL

[_antishock8]

Wow. The hits just keep coming with this very "open-minded, tolerant, and diverse" group of Socially Progressive Ex-Mormons:

From a female who hates hunters, responding to Palin's pro-Life stance:

Tell a girl who's pregnant by her father she can't abort?

I think I despise this woman.

Yes yes, we know that millions of girls who are having abortions are impregnated by their own fathers. Jeeeesus.....

From the kid who banned me (he's not married, has no kids, not in the medical field):

The thing that jumped out at me most about Sarah Palin's maternal judgment is the fact that on the night she reportedly gave birth to her Down Syndrome child, she started leaking amniotic fluid while in Texas for a Republican Governors Convention looking remarkably presentable...

It strikes me as either dangerously reckless or incongruous with what a concerned expectant mother of a special needs child would do.

The hunter-hating pro-babykilling female responds:

But also, obviously, she's focused on her career to the point that the pregnancy was secondary, and nothing could bear that out more clearly than this anecdote.

I have yet to see any of these people break down her political positions, ideology (beyond what they can quickly search from Kos Kids), and genuinely see what she's done in Alaska. It's just attack attack attack... It's so weird to see White Conservative Males laud her and like her, but Socially Progressive types hate her without nary a thoughtful post. Archetypes have indeed been turned on their heads in '08.

So strange.

[_bcspace]

I also hate the idea of having yet another leader who encourages the current anti-scientific bent of this country, as demonstrated in her support of teaching creationism in school, as a theory just as legitimate as evolution.

That's why if you're going to go Christian, you also have to go Mormon.