They can speculate but I am not permitted to explain

[_LifeOnaPlate]

I guess we are to take this as meaning, "I, DCP, accept zero responsibility for acting like a knob. Instead, this situation is entirely the fault of GoodK's atheism."

Is that really what The Good Professor is saying?

Actually, I think he's also calling you out for exploiting GoodK's personal situation to score rhetorical points in your on-going conflict with Dan Peterson.

[_Mister Scratch]

I guess we are to take this as meaning, "I, DCP, accept zero responsibility for acting like a knob. Instead, this situation is entirely the fault of GoodK's atheism."

Is that really what The Good Professor is saying?

Actually, I think he's also calling you out for exploiting GoodK's personal situation to score rhetorical points in your on-going conflict with Dan Peterson.

Oh, I think that GoodK is man enough to speak up when he feels he's been exploited, taken advantage of, or abused. I'm quite sure he'd tell me to "stand down" if he felt I'd said anything untoward.

[_GoodK]

Where have I called you a liar?

Can you provide the exact quote?

Well what do you want? Me to drop it, or to provide you a quote. I guess I'll just give you the quote and hope you respond:

So he said.

Do you have any independent corroboration of that?

Of course you didn't use the word "liar" but we all got the picture, didn't we?

I have never, ever, raised this issue. You and Scartch and Mini-Scartch have raised this issue, and then you become incensed at even the mildest possible response.

The mildest possible responsible? Calling me a liar? You've got to be kidding me.

I am not incensed at your response. Let me be clear:
I find it offensive that you would imply that I am a liar or am oblivious to the details in my own life, which you know very, very little about. You know very little about my step-dad who knows even less about me than my mother does. And you don't know my mom.

So when you come here and say, "there is more to the story" and "stop pretending" I find it dishonest - consistent with what Scratch has said about your "whisper campaigns" - and offensive.

And after I offered to take you to lunch!

But the real reason you won't say anything is because anything you might know about my past - mind you I haven't been to church or lived with my parents in almost 10 years - would probably make my step-dad, your "friend," look bad. The only thing you could say is that my parents sent me to the Church's Gulag, and that doesn't really save you from what you did, does it.

Kind of like how Dr. Quinn's sexual orientation has nothing to do with his role as a historian - so you'd rather poison the well with mention of a mysterious "sad incident" and let imaginations run wild.

You act like you care about "exploiting my family" on this board - truth is what you did was horrendous. You can't self depreciate yourself out of it, or blame it on Mister Scratch, or say that I'm gay, or that there are sad incidents. You sent an anonymous post to my step-dad while my sister lay dying in the hospital - who, correct me if I am wrong - you never went to visit. She lives in Orem, and you were close enough to my dad to send him an email "alerting him" to a post that you found to be insensitive to the situation - yet did you go visit her? No.

The truth is, you didn't like GoodK the poster at MAD or here, you found out who I was, and you ratted me out to my step-dad (who already knew I posted here, unbeknownst to you) while my sister was in ICU at a hospital five miles from your house that you couldn't bother to visit.

There is enormously more to this story than GoodK is telling. (Whether he's lying or not, I can't say.)

Ha. Yes there is. One very enormous detail is my birth. I was born in Kings County, West Seattle Washington. This was in 1984.

And GoodK's atheism is an ingredient in the situation of only relatively recent vintage.

A first, even for FARMS! A critic's high school shenanigans come into play!

What's next, the position in which I was conceived was a little too questionable for me to be trusted?

No wonder you wanted to drop this.

I'm sorry that it's come to this, but I won't allow it to go further. Or, to be more precise, I'll say nothing further, beyond what I've already said.


I will, though, repeat that there is more to this story, and to your situation, than people here know and more than you're telling.

Of course there is. My first kiss was a girl named Emily, although I don't remember her last name. That was in the third grade. I'm 6'1 and about 170 pounds. I played high school baseball and basketball. I like blondes. I drive a 2008 Black Honda Accord. I was 16 the first time I ever ate mushrooms.

Trust me folks, there is tons more to this story.

I was sent to a Mormon Gulag when I was 15 because I got caught smoking weed in my bathroom. I don't give many more details about this place because I'm working on getting a documentary made about this place, not because there is some other part of this story that proves DCP was a saint for rubbing my step-dad's nose in something I posted anonymously to this website that didn't mention his name nor was it intended for him to see.

True, me and my step-dad have always butted heads - wouldn't you if some fundamentalist Mormon married your mother, censored your music, told you what kind of clothes you could wear and how long you could grow your hair, among many other things? Of course me and my step-dad have other issues - but you created an entirely new one that has changed things for me quite a bit.
Don't worry, though, this is only coming to light on the Shades board. We all know how you and your friends feel about this board.

Truth is me and my step-dad were close leading up to this, still remained close after the first email about my sister came to light, but once you called his attention to this board again (as you will remember, happened in the Why I'm Not A Mormon thread) things went to hell. Of course, you only care about how you look after all of this -- and will probably continue to imply that there is more to the "story".

Unbelievable.

[_Daniel Peterson]

I guess we are to take this as meaning, "I, DCP, accept zero responsibility for acting like a knob. Instead, this situation is entirely the fault of GoodK's atheism."

Is that really what The Good Professor is saying?

No, that's precisely what I'm not saying. And I explicitly said that that's not what I'm saying.

I've said essentially nothing about the details of the situation. The one thing that I did say is that the situation is not entirely the fault of GoodK's atheism.

Of course you didn't use the word "liar" but we all got the picture, didn't we?

To say that there's more to a story, or that a story has two sides, is not the same thing as calling one of the parties to a story a liar.

The mildest possible responsible? Calling me a liar? You've got to be kidding me.

I haven't called you a liar.

If I had wanted to call you a liar, I would have called you a liar.

And after I offered to take you to lunch!

Remember that I offered to pay for the lunch -- an offer that remains on the table.

But even if you paid for the lunch, a free lunch just isn't quite enough to persuade me to lie, or to convince me that I ought falsely to plead guilty to the things I'm accused of here.

But the real reason you won't say anything is because anything you might know about my past - mind you I haven't been to church or lived with my parents in almost 10 years - would probably make my step-dad, your "friend," look bad.

No.

The only thing you could say is that my parents sent me to the Church's Gulag.

I'm aware of that episode, but no, that's not it.

You act like you care about "exploiting my family" on this board

I do.

truth is what you did was horrendous.

I sent a link to a public message board to a friend, essentially without comment.

You sent an anonymous post to my step-dad while my sister lay dying in the hospital - who, correct me if I am wrong - you never went to visit. She lives in Orem, and you were close enough to my dad to send him an email "alerting him" to a post that you found to be insensitive to the situation - yet did you go visit her? No.

That's not fair. I communicated with your stepfather, and visited with him.

Your sister was in intensive care. I don't know her and have never met her. I don't believe that a visit from a complete stranger, even if it had been allowed, would have made her day.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

It would be very, very good if Scartch and [Rollo Tomasi] were to give this matter a rest. I'm sorry that [Rollo Tomasi] brought it up again.

I don't bring this matter up. But, every time Scartch or [Rollo Tomasi] or anybody else tries to depict me as a destroyer of families by using your relationship with your stepfather as an example, I'm going to point out that they don't actually know anything, at first hand, about your family or about the situation.

I simply won't permit such public anonymous accusations against me to go without reply.

I'm sorry that Scartch and [Rollo Tomasi] continue to seek to exploit your family in their bid to discredit and defame me. I've said nothing about your family situation. They do.

The title of this thread is "They can speculate but I am not permitted to explain." I won't explain. I've said nothing whatever about your family, nor about your relationship with your stepfather. But they continue to speculate and to slander, while pretending that they're just stating facts.

They should cease and desist.

Not for my sake. I understand that their hostility toward me is deep and far beyond realistic remedy. They should stop it for your sake, and for the sake of your family.

Your despicable treatment of GoodK and his family was brought up here because on page 2 of this thread you 'invited' mms to contact you. We warned him/her of giving you any in real life information due to what you and rcrocket did when you discovered GoodK's identity. How can this be slander when you have admitted to showing GoodK's post to his step-father, and have not an inkling of guilt for what you did? Don't blame anyone here for your contemptuous behavior, Bishop Busybody.

[_Daniel Peterson]

If I were in your shoes, Mini-Scartch, I'd be feeling just a tiny bit funny about posing as the defender of the peace and harmony of GoodK's family.

You whine about the on-going pain and suffering that I inflicted on GoodK and his family by my simply sharing a link to a public message board, yet you're the one who wants to continue pouring salt on the alleged wound here by keeping the issue alive.

The thread was entirely dormant for nearly sixty hours, but you wish to resurrect it -- with no apparent real concern whatever for either GoodK or the relationships within his family -- in order to score points in your crusade against me.

You should give it a rest. There's no point in keeping things inflamed. GoodK was apparently willing to give it a rest, and I plainly am, but you evidently can't.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

If I were in your shoes, [Rollo Tomasi], I'd be feeling just a tiny bit funny about posing as the defender of the peace and harmony of GoodK's family.

Not at all. The entire point of all this has been to warn mms about you. If you hadn't 'invited' mms to contact you, then I would not have brought up GoodK at all on this thread.

The thread was entirely dormant for nearly sixty hours, but you wish to resurrect it -- with no apparent real concern whatever for either GoodK or the relationships within his family -- in order to score points in your crusade against me.

Unlike you, I don't spend every waking hour here, especially on the weekend. I'm simply responding to your statements above about me.

You should give it a rest. There's no point in keeping things inflamed. GoodK was apparently willing to give it a rest, and I plainly am, but you evidently can't.

Sure, Bishop Busybody, which explains why your "giving it a rest" somehow caused your statements about me above.

[_Daniel Peterson]

You're going to have to keep this issue inflamed on your own, Mini-Scartch.

I'm not going to help you.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Who wants some flapjacks? My treat?

[_Rollo Tomasi]

You're going to have to keep this issue inflamed on your own, [Rollo Tomasi].

I'm not going to help you.

You already have. Your treatment of GoodK will long live in infamy, Bishop Busybody.