They can speculate but I am not permitted to explain

[_Jason Bourne]

Holy hell in a hand basket! This is when I wish someone could lock a thread down.

How about you all give it a rest-Dan, Rollo, Goodk, Scratch and all. This is like what...the tenth thread on this subject? Dan and Goodk why don't you two go to lunch sometime and work it out. You both are decent people I am sure. You can work it out.

Scratch and Rollo, why don't you stop trying to use this club to beat DCP up? Really we all know you think he was pretty rotten for whatever he passed on to Goodk's dad. He has explained why and what he did about a thousand times. You don't agree with his view and he does not yours. So drop it already and move on. Holy smokes!!!!!


Now to Goodk. I am sorry you are currently estranged for whatever reason you are from your step dad. I know this must be hard for you and I can tell you from a dad's view it is for him as well.

Let me share something with you. I have a son that is 22. At about the same age you did he started using drugs-mostly pot. He also drank a lot of booze. I thought I knew the extent of it but now I find it was worse than I thought. I was a lot more rigid back then and I am not sure I did the best job parenting him. We tried to work with him is decent ways without freaking out. We did not always succeed. He was verbally abusive at times and a few times even told meto f... off more than once. To my utter shame I once popped him in the mouth when he said that to me. I never thought my son would say such things to me. It broke me heart. There came a point where my boy had to leave home. He was working nominally and would be gone days at a time If I asked where he was or challenged him in any way he would become hostile and angry. He was not progressing really anywhere in life, So I found him a place to live and set him up for a month or two with rent and food an he was on his own. Shortly after that he became a Marine. He is now thriving and doing well with life. He is Sergeant and likes what he does. His religious life is not engaged at all and he has little interest in things LDS.

But through all that I would always tell him I loved him and that my love was not contingent on him being a perfect Mormon boy. But I could not support him in his destructive life style. He will now tell you that his leaving home was his first step in starting a more productive path in life. Now we get along quite well. He is where he is and I am ok with that. He has to find God or decide he does not believe in his own way and time.

But in all this both he and I often had a lot of "I am so sorry's" to say as well as "I forgive you and love you." Both of us did make lots of mistakes in this process. But we are close now and have been and never were we ever estranged though my son I am sure did not like me all that well during some of this. I hope you and your step father work things out. Life is too short to be estranged from family. I hope both of your hearts soften towards each other.

[_Yoda]

Jason, I think that is one of the most beautiful posts I have ever read.

You're an awesome Dad! :)

[_Runtu]

Jason, I think that is one of the most beautiful posts I have ever read.

You're an awesome Dad! :)

Amen to that. Jason, you're a great dad, and I'm glad you shared that with us. My oldest son went through a really rebellious stage, too, but we got past it. He's now in college and doing just fine, and we have a great relationship. All you can do is love them.

And yes, it's time to put the GoodK incident behind us.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Scratch and Rollo, why don't you stop trying to use this club to beat DCP up? Really we all know you think he was pretty rotten for whatever he passed on to Goodk's dad. He has explained why and what he did about a thousand times. You don't agree with his view and he does not yours. So drop it already and move on. Holy smokes!!!!!

If you don't like this thread, then don't read it.

Now to Goodk. I am sorry you are currently estranged for whatever reason you are from your step dad. I know this must be hard for you and I can tell you from a dad's view it is for him as well.

Let me share something with you. I have a son that is 22. At about the same age you did he started using drugs-mostly pot. He also drank a lot of booze. I thought I knew the extent of it but now I find it was worse than I thought. I was a lot more rigid back then and I am not sure I did the best job parenting him. We tried to work with him is decent ways without freaking out. We did not always succeed. He was verbally abusive at times and a few times even told meto f... off more than once. To my utter shame I once popped him in the mouth when he said that to me. I never thought my son would say such things to me. It broke me heart. There came a point where my boy had to leave home. He was working nominally and would be gone days at a time If I asked where he was or challenged him in any way he would become hostile and angry. He was not progressing really anywhere in life, So I found him a place to live and set him up for a month or two with rent and food an he was on his own. Shortly after that he became a Marine. He is now thriving and doing well with life. He is Sergeant and likes what he does. His religious life is not engaged at all and he has little interest in things LDS.

But through all that I would always tell him I loved him and that my love was not contingent on him being a perfect Mormon boy. But I could not support him in his destructive life style. He will now tell you that his leaving home was his first step in starting a more productive path in life. Now we get along quite well. He is where he is and I am ok with that. He has to find God or decide he does not believe in his own way and time.

But in all this both he and I often had a lot of "I am so sorry's" to say as well as "I forgive you and love you." Both of us did make lots of mistakes in this process. But we are close now and have been and never were we ever estranged though my son I am sure did not like me all that well during some of this. I hope you and your step father work things out. Life is too short to be estranged from family. I hope both of your hearts soften towards each other.

Well said and well done.

[_JustMe]

collegeterrace

While I do agree that there are good members of the LDS faith, you Mr. Daniel C. Peterson, are not.

Your judgement, apart from being erroneous is also ignorant. I have been reading many of your postings, and you are worse than that less than intelligent human itch, er scratch. I know Daniel Peterson is a good person because I know Daniel Peterson. Have associated with him for years, and know his character. Do you? If not then shut your own lying moron piehole doofus.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

Your judgement, apart from being erroneous is also ignorant. I have been reading many of your postings, and you are worse than that less than intelligent human itch, er scratch. I know Daniel Peterson is a good person because I know Daniel Peterson. Have associated with him for years, and know his character. Do you? If not then shut your own lying moron piehole doofus.

I think collegeterrace was basing his judgment on DCP's behavior on this bb (with primary focus on the GoodK episode). I'm sure there are many good things about DCP, as well as about collegeterrace (and even me, perhaps), but we all make mistakes and have to own up and be accountable. Sadly, not much of that happens around here.

[_harmony]

Your judgement, apart from being erroneous is also ignorant. I have been reading many of your postings, and you are worse than that less than intelligent human itch, er scratch. I know Daniel Peterson is a good person because I know Daniel Peterson. Have associated with him for years, and know his character. Do you? If not then shut your own lying moron piehole doofus.

Well, well, well. Just what might we have here? A neighbor? A friend? A work colleague? A fellow apologist? A ward member?

Personally, I think Daniel is a good person, too, but unlike you, I don't conflate being a good person with always living the gospel. And we can only judge by that which we are allowed to see.

[_JustMe]

harmony

Personally, I think Daniel is a good person, too, but unlike you, I don't conflate being a good person with always living the gospel. And we can only judge by that which we are allowed to see.

And here is a newsflash - you aren't supposed to judge. With all of our collective severely limited means and knowledge and understanding, there is simply no way to judge accurately.

[_harmony]

harmony

Personally, I think Daniel is a good person, too, but unlike you, I don't conflate being a good person with always living the gospel. And we can only judge by that which we are allowed to see.

And here is a newsflash - you aren't supposed to judge. With all of our collective severely limited means and knowledge and understanding, there is simply no way to judge accurately.

So you think I'm wrong, unrighteous even, in judging Daniel as being a good person?

Actually, we are to judge. Commanded to do so, even. John tells us that Christ said to judge not according to the appearance (and you'll never hear me comment on Daniel's appearance), but judge righteous judgment. So, I repeat... you're telling me that I'm wrong to judge Daniel as a good person? You're telling me to disobey Christ? How about Paul? Would you have me disregard Paul too? (thinking his letter to the Corinthians, where he says we will judge angels and the world. And we're to judge each other, rather than ask outsiders.)

With friends like you, he doesn't need me (not that he needs me either, but I, at least, am his cherie amour. What are you?)

[_JustMe]

harmony

So, I repeat... you're telling me that I'm wrong to judge Daniel as a good person?

No...... I worded it wrong. Sorry.