Why did Master BateMan hate individual mens sports?

[_squawkeye]

Merrill, the former head master at BYU cut both mens gymnastics and mens wrestling while there. He has some kind of problem with individual mens sports and more so with martial sports like wrestling. Both programs were headed by world class coaches. Both sports are Olympic sports. I know the wrestling coach had Olympic and World Gold medals to his credit as well as 3 NCAA titles in the sport. The Mens gymnastics program had produced national champions and Olympic team members. Both programs were highly respected.
Then the topper was Master BateMan making Rondo Fehlberg, Athletic Director and former All American wrestler for BYU do the hatchet job. A lot like the previous Head Master (Holland?) in cutting Rodger Reid as basketball coach, all the while praising the guy but letting him find out about being fired by hearing it on the radio.

The biggie after cutting gymnastics and wrestling was MasterBateman firing Rondo and replacing him with a 'taller AD, more in keeping with what an administrator should look like'. MasterBateMans dislike of individual and martial sports is stupid and his using his power to cut Joseph Smiths major sport(wrestling) and the way he did it sends out the real message: Piss on the kids involved.

BYU constantly reiterates Gods hand in hiring. Is this how God fires people and screws them?

[_Daniel Peterson]

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with the changes in federal law and policy that were occurring through that period.

Some measure of equality between men's and women's sports was mandated by Title IX of the 1972 Education Amendments, and, particularly in the wake of subsequent court rulings, this often had the effect of hurting men's athletic programs in such areas as, specifically, wrestling and gymnastics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX

[_Buckeye]

My recollection is they were cut because of Title IX - basically, the law requires equal # of scholarships for men and women, so if a program can't come up with enough women's athletic slots, it has to cut some men's slots. This has happened at many schools and most often it is the less popular sports that are cut.

I was at BYU in '95-'96 and '98-'01. I remember the Iowa men's wrestling team (the Yankees of college wrestling) coming to BYU as part of a national tour to drive up interest in men's wrestling and keep programs from being shut down. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough for BYU's or many other schools' programs.

[_Buckeye]

And as to God's influence in hiring and firing, I have never heard of any position at BYU being treated as a church calling. I'm not saying every decision is made without prayer or the spirit, just that callings and employment are apples and oranges.

[_squawkeye]

I am quite familiar with Title IX and that is not the reason BYU dropped wrestling. Is was used as an excuse after the fact. MasterBateMan even went so far as to try and persuade University of Wyoming to drop wrestling also. The head of UofW told him to jump in the lake.

It was personal and unconscionable.

[_Buckeye]

I am quite familiar with Title IX and that is not the reason BYU dropped wrestling. Is was used as an excuse after the fact. MasterBateMan even went so far as to try and persuade University of Wyoming to drop wrestling also. The head of UofW told him to jump in the lake.

It was personal and unconscionable.

Welcome to the board. Let me introduce you to a term we use around here. Its called "CFR", as in "call for reference."

[_Buckeye]

I also have to wonder about your theory. If President Bateman disliked men's sports, why did he not go after men's soccer, swimming, or any of the other myriad of sports?

If he disliked "martial" sports, what was his beef with gymnastics. I can't think of a less "martial" sport (maybe golf) than gymnastics, a sport where you don't even have to be in the same building as your competition.


Two points; take down!

[_Brother of Mahonri]

I am quite familiar with Title IX and that is not the reason BYU dropped wrestling. Is was used as an excuse after the fact. MasterBateMan even went so far as to try and persuade University of Wyoming to drop wrestling also. The head of UofW told him to jump in the lake.

It was personal and unconscionable.

Welcome to the board. Let me introduce you to a term we use around here. Its called "CFR", as in "call for reference."

Oh thanks for explaining that. I thought that was some type of CTR reference.

;-P

[_KimberlyAnn]

Welcome to the board. Let me introduce you to a term we use around here. Its called "CFR", as in "call for reference."

Hi, Squawkeye.

I've been around this board a lot longer than Buckeye, and I assure you "CFR" isn't used often here--certainly much less frequently than it is used on the MAD board. There is, unlike on MAD, no requirement to cite a reference, even if requested by another poster.

There ARE terms we can use around here that are not ever used on MAD. For instance, if someone says, "CFR!", you can, at your discretion, either supply a reference, or tell them, "Kiss my ass." Heck, give them the reference they want and tell them to kiss your ass.

See? It's heads to tails better here than on MAD.

Kimberly Ann

[_Buckeye]

Welcome to the board. Let me introduce you to a term we use around here. Its called "CFR", as in "call for reference."

Hi, Squawkeye.

I've been around this board a lot longer than Buckeye, and I assure you "CFR" isn't used often here--certainly much less frequently than it is used on the MAD board. There is, unlike on MAD, no requirement to cite a reference, even if requested by another poster.

There ARE terms we can use around here that are not ever used on MAD. For instance, if someone says, "CFR!", you can, at your discretion, either supply a reference, or tell them, "Kiss my ass." Heck, give them the reference they want and tell them to kiss your ass.

See? It's heads to tails better here than on MAD.

Kimberly Ann

A quick search shows that "CFR" has been used in 521 posts since February 7, 2007 - well now 522! Unfortunately, MADB search keeps crapping out so I can't do a full comparison.

Kimberly Ann is right, though, that there is no requirement to supply the reference. However, until you do, we'll all assume you are lying just like that no-good church that won't ever tell the whole story.