Govenor Sarah Palin, Mormonism, Post-Mormonism, Politics

[_Calculus Crusader]

Is there supposed to be a point in there?

I nevers aid McCain didn't agree with Bush on Iraq. I said I don't think McCain would have initiated the war.

LOL! Yeah, McCain agrees with Bush on all the transcendent issues, but he wouldn’t have initiated the war. Riiiight.


Where has McCain ever stated that invading Iraq was a mistake? The only mistake he’s recognized is the management of the war, not the idea of invading itself. McCain has made his support of Bush’s war policy clear, many times. While this is a biased website, it has a good collection of McCain’s comments proving just that.

I agree with Kevin; McCain would not have been goaded by the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, and Perl into war with Iraq because he would not have chosen those people to serve in his administration. Moreover, McCain's support for the Iraq Invasion at the onset was no different than most of the Democrats; Obama has the advantage of not having been a US senator at the time. Finally, wanting to win the war now that we are there is different than thinking it was a good idea to start the war in the first place. Pat Buchanan, who opposed the war before the Democrats, has said we need to finish the job now that we are there.

[_antishock8]

Hasn't Senator Obama voted to fund the war every time it's come up? I know he wasn't in the Senate at the time of the original vote, so it's a bit misleading when he says he didn't "vote for the war" because, well, he couldn't. Anway, for a guy so anti-war he sure is doing his part to fund it. I'm sure there's some very, very, nuanced and complex raltionale that us simpletons probably don't understand...

Anyway, about the pig on a lipstick comment, you could tell the crowd knew what he was doing. It's all about timing, and if you're going to commit yet another gaffe during the campaign, what kind of confidence should we have in this Senator when he's President? He's another Bush... Looks good, is an agent of "change", but in the end he's had a connections throughout his life unavailable to others that have landed him in this position. And he's going to be ridiculous, just like Bush. We need a Statesman, not another son of privilege.

[_dartagnan]

This is the man who told the joke: Do You Know Why Chelsea Clinton is So Ugly? - and the man who called his wife a C***

Spare me.

You will buy into anything you want to beastie, even if it is tripe from sources via "condition of anonymity." How convenient.

[_beastie]

No thanks, Dart.

[_beastie]

Hasn't Senator Obama voted to fund the war every time it's come up? I know he wasn't in the Senate at the time of the original vote, so it's a bit misleading when he says he didn't "vote for the war" because, well, he couldn't. Anway, for a guy so anti-war he sure is doing his part to fund it. I'm sure there's some very, very, nuanced and complex raltionale that us simpletons probably don't understand...

Yeah, it's called 'giving the soldiers what they need'.

Anyway, about the pig on a lipstick comment, you could tell the crowd knew what he was doing. It's all about timing, and if you're going to commit yet another gaffe during the campaign, what kind of confidence should we have in this Senator when he's President? He's another Bush... Looks good, is an agent of "change", but in the end he's had a connections throughout his life unavailable to others that have landed him in this position. And he's going to be ridiculous, just like Bush. We need a Statesman, not another son of privilege.

He wasn't even talking about Palin, for heaven's sake.

A statesman like McCain???? With his volatile temper? I tell you the main thing McCain has had in his favor all these years - a press that loved him.

[_aussieguy55]

It seems the McCain camp want to make a virtue of being uneducated. McCain was down the bottom of his class at the Navel Academy, crashed five planes, was against the tax cuts for the rich then supported them, was the Roe Wade then wants it change, speaks out against the agents of intolerance (Religious Right) and then accepts an award from Farwell. A black man who has no father present in his early life, gets himself an education, pays off the cost by writing a couple of books and is successful chooses to do a job as a community organiser rather than a job in a well paying Law firm. There is a good YouTube video by a lady who is a community organiser and explains what many of them do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRR2PvoHUXA&NR=1 He is still married to the same lady. McCain, Ginrich(no 3), Murdoch, Guilani (No 4) instead of staying with the "wife of their youth" marry younger and richer and not disable women. The Republicans went on about small town values.

[_antishock8]

Beastie,

If Senator Obama is AGAINST the war in Iraq you don't vote FOR funding it. You de-fund it, so we can't fight it. That's how it works. The mental freakin' gymnastics you have to do in order to say what you just said is nearly as bad as a Mormon apologist doing his thing. Someone needs to actually practice what he preaches if he's actually against something... Oh, wait. That's not politically expedient. I think we understand that about Senator Obama: He doesn't do things that aren't politically expedient. Great. Wonderful. That's the kind of nuance we need in the Whitehouse. NOPE.

Personally, I don't think Senator McCain has that bad of a temper. It's a meme started by the Left to smear him. Do we have to trade youtube posting of each candidate losing his patience? Senator Obama has been very curt, and very frustrated on multiple occasions.

This leads to the frustration with the media that most Americans feel. I'm not sure why anyone on the Left would continue to insinuate the idea that Leftists aren't getting a media pass in the sense that if a Rightist exhibited the same kind of demeanor he or she would be crucified for the said behavior. McCain isn't any more angry than President Clinton, Senator Obama, or Congresswoman Pelosi. What's presented, and what's framed by the media is simply an object lesson in bias. THAT is the reason why the Left has thin credibility with the "ignorant" electorate of this country. They know what pandering is, they know what yellow journalism is, and they know what bias is... And the Left benefits from it in spades. Hence... The ascendance of FOX News. It's a backlash to biased media hacks.

The vile smears that the Left have levied against Governor Palin have far exceeded anyting I've ever seen the Right do to one of their opponents. It's a betrayal to everything the Left claims to possess:

Tolerance. Open-mindedness. Equality. Compassion.

It's all BS. The bottom line is they want Socialism, in the worst possible way, and they're willing to destroy anyone who gets in their way. That's vile.

[_beastie]

So you're suggesting that the best way to handle the mess in Iraq would be to immediately defund it, and force the President to precipitously withdraw the forces???

Obama has said that we need to extricate ourselves from Iraq with the amount of planning and care that should have preceded any invasion of Iraq. Simply withdrawing funds wouldn't do that, but would leave our already poorly protected soldiers even more vulnerable.

Even Republicans recognize McCain's hot temper

Are you also going to deny that, for example, McCain told an extremely ugly joke about Chelsea Clinton - for which he later apologized - at a republican fund raiser?

[_beastie]

Speaking of BS, you seemed to imply a certain level of nonpartisanship in this issue, Antishock. This statement of your belies that claim:

It's all b***s***. The bottom line is they want Socialism, in the worst possible way, and they're willing to destroy anyone who gets in their way. That's vile.

You're every bit as partisan and biased as the people you're criticizing.

[_dartagnan]

LOL... McCain's "hot temper" is now the only thing left for beastie to use in her arsenal. Everything else turned out to be blanks, and so will this one. Her examples come from websites written by God knows who, which admit their sources are anonymous! This is just too rich. She has bought into ever smear tactic that has been proved wrong, hook line and sinker.

What's the matter beastie, you're not up to defending Obama's unethical abuse of earmarks, even after your longwinded rants against Palin, who used them for basic needs of her constituents?

Explain to us why it is acceptable for Obama to use earmarking to help his wife's employer build a pavillion, in which she is rewarded an outrageous salary increase.

I've been waiting in suspense all day to see how you respond to this unpleasant bit of information. Surely you're not going to drop your ball and go home in a huff. If earmarking ethics matter so much for you to bash Palin as a VP candidate, then the same should hold true moreso for Obama as your Presidential candidate.

Unless you're entertaining a double-standard.