BY vs Henry Jacobs

[_Ray A]

There must have been something desirous about Zina to make men covet her like that.

Judge for yourself:

[_Ray A]

Also posted on the Net:

[_Ray A]

I've never quite known what to make of Henry Jacobs himself, but what Brigham Young and Joseph Smith did to him can only be described as abominable. It reminds me of 2 Samuel 12:

1 And the Lord sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.
2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:
3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.
4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man’s lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.
5 And David’s anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the Lord liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:
6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.
7 ¶ And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man.

[_Scottie]

I always thought it was more like Uriah and Bathsheba.

[_moksha]

There must have been something desirous about Zina to make men covet her like that.

Judge for yourself:

Some women are desirable by their beauty, while others are desirable by their talents.

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[_truth dancer]

Has anyone watched the news clips of the FLDS men who were required by Warren Jeffs, opps, I mean God, to give their wives and children to other men?

When I heard them talk of their experience I thought of Henry and how he still supported BY as his wife and children were taken from him.

And, as I read of these FLDS women who allow themselves to be passed around by men, I think of many early LDS women who also were basically traded and exchanged by powerful LDS men.

How anyone can think polygamy is about love or care or intimacy, or holiness is beyond me.

It is about power, ego, glory, dominance, pride and the enslavement and exploitation of women.

~td~

[_Ray A]

Some women are desirable by their beauty, while others are desirable by their talents.

LOL. Very diplomatic.

[_harmony]

It is about power, ego, glory, dominance, pride and the enslavement and exploitation of women.

TD, on the women's side though... for some like Zina, don't you see ambition? social ladder climbing? the lure of being attached to a powerful man? Kinda like the groupies that follow rock stars, don't ya think?

I mean, yes... the leaders who started and expanded the Abomination were ... well... abominable. But the women like Zina, who not only went along with it, but actively participated by ditching her first husband in favor of a more powerful man... don't you find them just the tiniest bit abominable too?

[_Ray A]

TD, on the women's side though... for some like Zina, don't you see ambition? social ladder climbing? the lure of being attached to a powerful man? Kinda like the groupies that follow rock stars, don't ya think?

I mean, yes... the leaders who started and expanded the Abomination were ... well... abominable. But the women like Zina, who not only went along with it, but actively participated by ditching her first husband in favor of a more powerful man... don't you find them just the tiniest bit abominable too?

I think there's definitely something to that point. It's a pity that Zina wasn't made of the mettle of Sarah Pratt.

Richard S. Van Wagoner, Sarah M. Pratt: The Shaping of an Apostate

[_truth dancer]

It is about power, ego, glory, dominance, pride and the enslavement and exploitation of women.

TD, on the women's side though... for some like Zina, don't you see ambition? social ladder climbing? the lure of being attached to a powerful man? Kinda like the groupies that follow rock stars, don't ya think?

I mean, yes... the leaders who started and expanded the Abomination were ... well... abominable. But the women like Zina, who not only went along with it, but actively participated by ditching her first husband in favor of a more powerful man... don't you find them just the tiniest bit abominable too?

No question. There seem to be girls and women who would rather attach themselves to a powerful male to gain higher social status, than to have love or care or a real relationship with a man.

Absolutely.

I don't know about Zina but clearly the phenomenon exists. It could be that she was basically being bought and sold like other submissive girls and women who get traded by powerful males in polygamous societies, OR it could be that she was genuinely wanting to move up in the eternities to gain more power and glory.

I look at the FLDS girls and women and their system seems to reflect the early LDS church in that relationships were more about dynasty building, power, and glory, than anything else. While the men seem to have the additional "benefit" of multiple sexual partners, women's sexual desires/needs are ignored, or even absent.

I'm pretty sure there are FLDS women who want to get out of their current relationship and attach themselves to Warren Jeffs, just like some girls and women probably thought it was "cool" to have Joseph Smith want them.

As you said, kind of like a rock star or sports hero.

In those who place emphasis on power and glory and elitism, love, care and intimacy are not even on the radar.

The system (principle), is not one of love and intimacy and sharing a life together; it is about gaining power, glory, status, and stroking the ego.

~td~