Tvedtnes: Author of "more than 300" articles?

[_Mister Scratch]

Perhaps he could have finished it if he hadn't squandered so much time doing "spoofs" for SHIELDS and scripture quizzes.

Perhaps.

I assume that you know his biography even less well than you know his writing.

What have you actually read by John Tvedtnes? Have you read any books by Tvedtnes? How many? One? Any at all? Have you read any of Tvedtnes's substantive articles? If so, how many? One? Two?

LOL! A nice, albeit desperate try, Dr. P. Yes, I have read some of Tvedtnes's "work," and no, I am not going to tell you what I've read. (Obviously I have read some of it, if I linked to and commented upon his website. Duh!) I guess this is yet another strikeout for you, Professor P. I shall enjoy watching you flail about in desperation.

Incidentally, I wonder what DCP thinks about Tvedtnes's resume padding?

He's free to do whatever he wants on such things. I genuinely don't care.

I beg to differ. Rather than responding to the OP with a shrug, you are in here going ballistic, kicking up a big stink. It is obviously a huge embarrassment for a senior Mopologists to be caught engaging in such petty and ridiculous resume padding. You claim you "don't care," but let me ask you this: Would you ever advise a student to include such things as "SHIELDS spoofs" and "scripture quizzes" on his/her CV? Would you ever include such things yourself? Methinks not. You are here on this thread because Tvedtnes's resume padding reflects very, very badly on LDS apologetics.

And "substantive"? Pshaw. The word becomes completely meaningless in lieu of what Tvedtnes has chosen to include on his online CV.

In other words, you've read little or nothing.

Which is not surprising. Your interests run to personal criticism rather than substance.

The fact that a senior, extremely important figure in the world of Mopologetics has seriously distorted his claim of "300 articles" seems to me very substantive. Also substantive is the fact that Chief Apologist Daniel C. Peterson cannot figure out a way to spin this. This is all substantive in much the same way that finding out the truth about Paul Dunn was "substantive."

[_Mister Scratch]

Although I have known John a substantially shorter period than DCP, I have read many of his articles and books and find him to be a careful and thorough scholar, with a vast amount of knowledge in his noggin, and a humble manner of dispensing it.

I see what you are saying, Consig, and I am sympathetic to your position. Certainly, it always hurts when people we like are exposed as deceivers, exaggerators, or hypocrites. Then again, if DCP, Tvedtnes, and the rest of the skinny-l crew had not engaged in such aggressive attacks on others' credentials, your complaints about my "meanness" might carry more weight. It might seem rotten to point out Tvedtnes's resume padding, if apologists had not done precisely this thing over and over and over again with B. Metcalfe, James White, and countless other individuals.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Who still says "duh"?

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Although I have known John a substantially shorter period than DCP, I have read many of his articles and books and find him to be a careful and thorough scholar, with a vast amount of knowledge in his noggin, and a humble manner of dispensing it.

I see what you are saying, Consig, and I am sympathetic to your position. Certainly, it always hurts when people we like are exposed as deceivers, exaggerators, or hypocrites. Then again, if DCP, Tvedtnes, and the rest of the skinny-l crew had not engaged in such aggressive attacks on others' credentials, your complaints about my "meanness" might carry more weight. It might seem rotten to point out Tvedtnes's resume padding, if apologists had not done precisely this thing over and over and over again with B. Metcalfe, James White, and countless other individuals.

Go with me to lunch and I'll tell you literally everything I know about skinny-L.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Although I have known John a substantially shorter period than DCP, I have read many of his articles and books and find him to be a careful and thorough scholar, with a vast amount of knowledge in his noggin, and a humble manner of dispensing it. He has always been charitable and courteous to me personally, and I am not going to sit idly by while somebody takes cheap shots at him--somebody who has the cerebral equivalent of "penis envy."

Although Tvedtnes would likely not say this about himself, I will say on his behalf that he has forgotten more than you will ever know.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I have good evidence that Tvedtnes used the term "bitch" in an email before. What now?!

[_Daniel Peterson]

Yes, I have read some of Tvedtnes's "work," and no, I am not going to tell you what I've read.

It seems that you've read very, very little of it.

Which would be entirely consistent with what we've learned in recent days about your remarkable unfamiliarity with the publications of FARMS .

Obviously I have read some of it, if I linked to and commented upon his website. Duh!

Oh, I never doubted that you'd read that much. I suspect, though, that your website dirt-collecting just about exhausts your reading of Tvedtnes's work.

You haven't exactly cut an impressive figure on this front, lately.

I shall enjoy watching you flail about in desperation.

I don't doubt that you would enjoy it enormously if it ever happened.

It's rather sad and pathetic, really.

You really are a loon, you know.

you are in here going ballistic, kicking up a big stink.

I am?

Golly. I learn all sorts of interesting stuff here.

It is obviously a huge embarrassment for a senior Mopologists to be caught engaging in such petty and ridiculous resume padding.

Whatever.

IWould you ever advise a student to include such things as "SHIELDS spoofs" and "scripture quizzes" on his/her CV?

It depends on what the CV is for. On the whole, I don't much care.

You are here on this thread because Tvedtnes's resume padding reflects very, very badly on LDS apologetics.

I don't think what John Tvedtnes includes or doesn't include on his resume strengthens or weakens a single apologetic argument. It's irrelevant.

The fact that a senior, extremely important figure in the world of Mopologetics has seriously distorted his claim of "300 articles" seems to me very substantive.

What's weird is that you may actually think so.

Also substantive is the fact that Chief Apologist Daniel C. Peterson cannot figure out a way to spin this.

?????

This is all substantive in much the same way that finding out the truth about Paul Dunn was "substantive."

LOL. I'm inclined to agree with you on that.

[_Daniel Peterson]

DCP, Tvedtnes, and the rest of the skinny-l crew

Is John Tvedtnes on Skinny-L?

I didn't know that.

[_Jason Bourne]

I see what you are saying, Consig, and I am sympathetic to your position.

Oh sure you are. Watch out for sweet words from Scratch. And look under his cloak for the dagger....here is it comes...

Certainly, it always hurts when people we like are exposed as deceivers, exaggerators, or hypocrites.

Which of course Scratch has failed to do. All he does is make a brief claim, toss out a few tid bits spun to appear as bad as possible then use that as a total complete victory of smearing someones charecter, some real live person, and he does it anonymously. And let me note I have no problem with anonymous posting. I post anonymously. But to smear and spin on innuendo while using over the top hyperbole is cowardice plain and simple.

Tvedtness is good person. He has let his temper flair at times in debating religion. He is human. And he has written much and much of worth.

So if Scratch claims he pads resume where is Scratch;s resume. Why should we trust him. What has he read by Tvedtness and what faults can he point out in Tvedtness's books and other publications? And why should we care what Scratch thinks anyway.

Rumor mongerer Scratch. Gossiper! That is all you are. You are like an old biddy with nothing better to do then smear people.

Then again, if DCP, Tvedtnes, and the rest of the skinny-l crew had not engaged in such aggressive attacks on others' credentials, your complaints about my "meanness" might carry more weight. It might seem rotten to point out Tvedtnes's resume padding, if apologists had not done precisely this thing over and over and over again with B. Metcalfe, James White, and countless other individuals.[

You are now hypocritical as well. Well you have been all along.

[_harmony]

Wait a minute. he's a senior resident scholar and he's only Master's level? What the heck? He's not even a PhD?

He was a senior resident scholar with the Maxwell Institute and was never considered for a professorship at BYU precisely because he lacked the Ph.D. But he completed all of the course and residency requirements for a doctorate at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, failing only to complete his dissertation.

What exactly does a senior resident scholar at the Maxwell Institute do?

[_Daniel Peterson]

What exactly does a senior resident scholar at the Maxwell Institute do?

John Tvedtnes has retired. But when he still worked for us, he helped to review manuscript submissions, etc.