Mormon doctrine as explained by John Larsen

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Re: Mormon doctrine as explained by John Larsen

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collegeterrace wrote:No but if you were capable of reading, you would see where I ask if you are gay.

Are you gay?


I assumed that comment was hyperbole. Still, I find it disturbing how many guys on this site are fascinated by my sexuality. I'll answer the question you all seem to want to ask. No, I'm not interested and stop sending me nude pics.

Again, nice dodge. Still waiting on evidence for Brigham Young quote.
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I was revisiting this very persuasive explanation of Mormon doctrine by John Larsen and I find it to be very difficult to refute. Any new thoughts on the matter?


Why not simply go by what the Church has actually said about it's own doctrine?
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I assumed that comment was hyperbole. Still, I find it disturbing how many guys on this site are fascinated by my sexuality. I'll answer the question you all seem to want to ask. No, I'm not interested and stop sending me nude pics.


I think they're just after that bucket of chicken......
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bcspace wrote:
I was revisiting this very persuasive explanation of Mormon doctrine by John Larsen and I find it to be very difficult to refute. Any new thoughts on the matter?


Why not simply go by what the Church has actually said about it's own doctrine?


Because, what the Church says is not always believeable/true.

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Nehor said:

I assumed that comment was hyperbole. Still, I find it disturbing how many guys on this site are fascinated by my sexuality. I'll answer the question you all seem to want to ask. No, I'm not interested and stop sending me nude pics.



As a spectator of this constant haranguing of Nehor, I often wonder if it is just fun-like buddy-banter and joshing? Sort-of like kids in the play ground... Or, is it really mean-spirited bullying? As it otherwise would be... I too find it disturbing. Explaination? Answer please?

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Why not simply go by what the Church has actually said about it's own doctrine?

Because, what the Church says is not always believeable/true.


Then why not hold them to the standard of doctrine which they have set? In other words, your statement here is a non sequitur. All you have to do is go back to what they've said and say..... "See this here?"

You're doing it anyway. But the problem is, you're not doing it according to any sort of standard and the only logical and reasonable standard is that set by the Church. If someone else sets it, you have no basis blame the Church.

On the other hand, here is your big opportunity to catch the Church in a lie (if you can).
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BCS, from your post, wherein you quoted me, below. I messed up with "double quotes" so I hope the general context is still understanable??? (Hence the Edit:-)

Because, what the Church says is not always believeable/true.
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...the only logical and reasonable standard is that set by the Church. If someone else sets it, you have no basis blame the Church. As much as LDSism likes to pass themselves off as being original--outside of Temple Oaths etc. Polygamy & Black Priesthood issues--they share more in common than not. Consequently as 'followers' they must share "blame" as well as credit, for their "standards."

On the other hand, here is your big opportunity to catch the Church in a lie (if you can).[/quote]

[color=#BF0000]I would not consider that as an opportunity--for what? Rather I do consider it a responsibility to suggest that much of what is taught by Mormonisn is "not always believable" As I think you have alluded to as well??

As for "...catch(ing) the Church in a lie..." that truely is more difficult. To call anyone a liar requires burdens of proof that a skilled liar is most adapt at avoiding. I guess you have me at a disadvantage there, although the MMM investigation is long ongoing???

BCS, I'm not sure if YOU appreciate MY appreciation of Mormonism? It served me well for many decades (as I served it). Through times when its truthfullnes/believeabilty was trumped by its practicality and fellowship that i willingly contributed to and loyally supported.

It was only after I had time to really "study" & "think" were the "unbelievables" brought into serious consideration, and became sufficient in quantity, and quality to conclude, regretably, that Mormonism, carries enough unbelievables to be taken any more seriously than any other so-called Christian sect, IMSCO.

I don't know if that satisfies your "challege" but is my honest response to what I prefer to call an "invitation" to share... :-)
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Warm regards, Roger
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The Nehor wrote:
collegeterrace wrote:No but if you were capable of reading, you would see where I ask if you are gay.

Are you gay?


I assumed that comment was hyperbole. Still, I find it disturbing how many guys on this site are fascinated by my sexuality. I'll answer the question you all seem to want to ask.


I'm not sure that we're interested in your sexuality, so much as your ability to stay in denial. It's a wonderful mechanism that many Mormon men are able to produce and maintain reference their sexual identity.
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...the only logical and reasonable standard is that set by the Church. If someone else sets it, you have no basis blame the Church.

As much as LDSism likes to pass themselves off as being original--outside of Temple Oaths etc. Polygamy & Black Priesthood issues--they share more in common than not. Consequently as 'followers' they must share "blame" as well as credit, for their "standards."


You missed the point completely. If someone other than the Church sets up standards for LDS doctrine, then the Church cannot be held accountable for that doctrine.


On the other hand, here is your big opportunity to catch the Church in a lie (if you can).[/quote]

I would not consider that as an opportunity--for what? Rather I do consider it a responsibility to suggest that much of what is taught by Mormonisn is "not always believable" As I think you have alluded to as well??

As for "...catch(ing) the Church in a lie..." that truely is more difficult. To call anyone a liar requires burdens of proof that a skilled liar is most adapt at avoiding. I guess you have me at a disadvantage there, although the MMM investigation is long ongoing???

BCS, I'm not sure if YOU appreciate MY appreciation of Mormonism? It served me well for many decades (as I served it). Through times when its truthfullnes/believeabilty was trumped by its practicality and fellowship that i willingly contributed to and loyally supported.

It was only after I had time to really "study" & "think" were the "unbelievables" brought into serious consideration, and became sufficient in quantity, and quality to conclude, regretably, that Mormonism, carries enough unbelievables to be taken any more seriously than any other so-called Christian sect, IMSCO.

I don't know if that satisfies your "challege" but is my honest response to what I prefer to call an "invitation" to share... :-)


Warm regards, Roger
BCS, from your post, wherein you quoted me, below. I messed up with "double quotes" so I hope the general context is still understanable??? (Hence the Edit:-)

Because, what the Church says is not always believeable/true.
[/quote]


...the only logical and reasonable standard is that set by the Church. If someone else sets it, you have no basis blame the Church. As much as LDSism likes to pass themselves off as being original--outside of Temple Oaths etc. Polygamy & Black Priesthood issues--they share more in common than not. Consequently as 'followers' they must share "blame" as well as credit, for their "standards."

On the other hand, here is your big opportunity to catch the Church in a lie (if you can).


I would not consider that as an opportunity--for what?
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I wouldn't either since it's impossible to do. However, if it were possible, the only way to do it is to consider as LDS doctrine exactly what the Church considers doctrine.

Rather I do consider it a responsibility to suggest that much of what is taught by Mormonisn is "not always believable" As I think you have alluded to as well??


You can believe what you want to believe. One of my points is simply that if you hold LDS to a standard of doctrine their Church doesn't teach, then you will always fail in your attempts to communicate.

As for "...catch(ing) the Church in a lie..." that truely is more difficult. To call anyone a liar requires burdens of proof that a skilled liar is most adapt at avoiding. I guess you have me at a disadvantage there, although the MMM investigation is long ongoing???


[taps the sign] What is LDS doctrine?

BCS, I'm not sure if YOU appreciate MY appreciation of Mormonism?


Of course I don't. It is unrecognizable as a Church I don't belong to.

It served me well for many decades (as I served it). Through times when its truthfullnes/believeabilty was trumped by its practicality and fellowship that i willingly contributed to and loyally supported.


I highly doubt you ever were active in the Church.

It was only after I had time to really "study" & "think" were the "unbelievables" brought into serious consideration, and became sufficient in quantity, and quality to conclude, regretably, that Mormonism, carries enough unbelievables to be taken any more seriously than any other so-called Christian sect, IMSCO.


And that is why.

I don't know if that satisfies your "challege" but is my honest response to what I prefer to call an "invitation" to share...


You missed the point. I simply require that doctrine be defined as the Church defines it. It's the only reasonable and logical solution and basis for debate.
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Re: Mormon doctrine as explained by John Larsen

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BCS said, about yours-truly:

It served me well for many decades (as I served it). Through that time its truthfullnes/believeabilty was trumped by its practicality and fellowship that i willingly contributed to and loyally supported.


I highly doubt you ever were active in the Church.

You are welcome to your doubts about Me. I no longer have any doubts about You. :-)

Warm regards, Roger & out.
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