God is Ultimately Responsible for Evil

[_LifeOnaPlate]

amen to the hair thing!

I don't think you read the papers to which I linked, though.

[_KimberlyAnn]

amen to the hair thing!

I don't think you read the papers to which I linked, though.

I read Paulson.

I'm utterly unconvinced.

I'm also unconvinced that God is always loving. I don't see that at all. What He desires is always right, if one believes the Bible, but it is not always loving.

KA

[_collegeterrace]

Wow, I never thought of it in that way KA.

God is the one who allows Satan to mess with us. He let Satan temp his own kids, and according to Mormon doctrine, stood by silent while a full 1/3 were pulled away from him --by his "bad" older son.

He the pre judged those poor kids and cursed them to never get a turn on the spinning ball of dirt.

It does not end there, no sir, he then allows this supposed "bad son" to come to earth for a chance at luring more of God's supposed loved children...

What a piece of sh*t this Heavenly Father truly is. Oh yeah, he really loves his kids.

It would be like us parents inviting in a drug dealing rapist to knowingly tempt our kids. Then when our daughters fall to the rapist, we kick them out of our house. The boys who did not fall to the drug dealing rapist are then reintroduced to the same rapist --this time in drag.

God is a sick f*cker.

[_collegeterrace]

Maybe God isn't omnipotent in the classic theological sense. Maybe God isn't omnipotent in that regard.

http://speeches.BYU.edu/reader/reader.php?id=1644
http://www.blakeostler.com/docs/JSmith& ... ofEvil.pdf

What a stupid thing to say.

What will spew forth from your cake hole next? "When is God speaking as the man he once was, or as the God he has become?"

[_Jersey Girl]

Wow, I never thought of it in that way KA.

God is the one who allows Satan to mess with us. He let Satan temp his own kids, and according to Mormon doctrine, stood by silent while a full 1/3 were pulled away from him --by his "bad" older son.

He the pre judged those poor kids and cursed them to never get a turn on the spinning ball of dirt.

It does not end there, no sir, he then allows this supposed "bad son" to come to earth for a chance at luring more of God's supposed loved children...

What a piece of sh*t this Heavenly Father truly is. Oh yeah, he really loves his kids.

It would be like us parents inviting in a drug dealing rapist to knowingly tempt our kids. Then when our daughters fall to the rapist, we kick them out of our house. The boys who did not fall to the drug dealing rapist are then reintroduced to the same rapist --this time in drag.

God is a sick f*cker.

Ya might wanna study up on what Satan is vs Lucifer.

Just a suggestion.

[_Jersey Girl]

Revisiting this verse:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
—Isaiah 45:7

The word evil as used in the above, is a mistranslation found in the KJV. One can see this just on a surface read of the verse. The first contrast used is that of opposites. Light vs darkness. The second contrast "peace vs evil" doesn't "fit" the use of opposites.

It doesn't fit the verse because it's a KJV mistranslation of the Hebrew. That is to say, it doesn't support the premise of this thread.

Try the NKJV, NIV or NASB for a more accurate translation.

This one doesn't work.

[_Some Schmo]

Well KA, I disagree. God is not responsible for evil, any more than the Easter Bunny is.

God is only responsible for evil if you believe in both god and evil. Some of us just refer to those things as "nature."

But if there was a god, you'd be spot on correct. He apparently created the world, and everything in it. If evil exists, that would, by my definition, be part of everything.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

amen to the hair thing!

I don't think you read the papers to which I linked, though.

I read Paulson.

I'm utterly unconvinced.

I'm also unconvinced that God is always loving. I don't see that at all. What He desires is always right, if one believes the Bible, but it is not always loving.

KA

The second link especially delves into various philosophical theodicy's. If I recall correctly, you still believe there is a God, you attend some religious meetings sometimes. How do you reconcile it?

How can God be all powerful, all knowing, and all loving, and yet evil still occurs? Especially given traditional Christianity's doctrine of creatio ex nihilo, which posits that God created everything from nothing. This would make God an accessory before the fact; all subsequent acts result from His initial creation.

[_Doctor Steuss]

[...]
I understand that Mormon theology allows for a limited God as well, a God that is not completely omniscient and not completely omnipotent (and obviously not omnipresent because he has a body...the holy ghost has the omnipresent characteristic). But how limited is he in knowledge and in power? Is he only limited in the sense that we limit him based on our current understanding of the natural world? Will those limits change as our knowledge increases? I haven't read the links that LOAP provided...I'll give those a gander and see if they address this.

There are competing views/teachings regarding His knowledge. The largest camp is that there are no limitations to His foreknowledge. I'm of the small heretical camp that doesn't believe that perfect knowledge can be obtained until a potentiality has become an actuality.

As for power, I believe that it is usually viewed as being only limited by eternal laws (whatever that may be).

Mormonism (in my opinion) does tend to look at G-d as a super scientist of sorts. But, given that I haven’t been to Church for quite a stint now, and haven’t had my finger on the “pulse” of LDSism, I should probably stop opining.

PS.
I “heart” Propellerhead.

[_Sam Harris]

The only type of god that I could believe in at this point is a god that put this whole thing in motion and then stepped away, never to intervene. This would, in essence, make it responsible for everything, including evil, but in a way I can understand (you started this mess so you're responsible for it). Anything else doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The fickle, intervening god of Christianity is simply too erratic for me to take seriously.

I'm with you. I believe that the problem lies in the fact that mankind doesn't really want to take corporate responsibility for the atrocities we commit. We brush it under the table when we wound our love ones, we shake our heads when someone else commits murder or rape, we call others racist, but how many people can honestly look in the mirror each day and say, " I can do better, I can be better, I can make this world better"? Few people do that, they're too busy blaming others and God instead of paying attention to the way they walk through their own lives.

Man is the root of all evil, call it nature, call it sin, call it whatever. But we're the ones committing genocide, we're the ones starving innocent people, we're the ones abusing children, we're the ones lying, stealing...just because it doesn't apply to you individually doesn't mean that you aren't part of the society that isn't let off the hook on these issues.

Things never get better, and "evil" never goes away because we're always so eager to say "I'd never do that" when we see something heinous going on. Do you know what drives people to do the things they do? What if the path that led them to their crimes ended up being one you unwittingly walked down? What if the tables were turned? Corporate responsibilty would go a long way in making this world better. So you personally aren't starving people...but what little, special thing can you do each day to make just one person's life brighter (and hence start the whole "pay it forward" process)?

I'll never blame God for the abusers in my life. Some of them knew what they were doing, and I pity them. Some did not, and I pity them even more.

If anyone replies to my thoughts, and you don't see me for a while, I'm still sick. I just managed to escape the invalid's bed for a day...